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ArchangelMadzz said:
People not liking a game is fine, people not liking decisions that were made is fine.

I've never understood hate trains. I didn't like RDR2 played 10 or so hours of it, just couldn't get into it and that was it. I didn't scream from the rooftops that it's 'TRaSh' or dm the developers or whatever. People need better outlets for their energy man.

RDR2 was trash becuase there was a black person in it who didn't get lynched or called the n-word. It's trash because that's not historically accurate and any REAL historical game would include nasty language like that and Rockstar are just pushing SJW agendas by not including extreme racism in their game. I only get upset when games are critical of my kind, it's okay to change history when it makes me feel good, but it's bad when they do it in a way that's just SJW pandering. Yep, 100%. 

In case you hadn't noticed, that was satire. 

I, for example, can't stand The Last of Us. I didn't like the gameplay myself, but I'm not stupid enough to say it's a terrible game. I don't think I'd like The Last of Us part 2 becuase I get the impression it sounds like 20+ hours of misery for the sake of misery. There's artistic merit in that, for sure, but it's not for me. that's the difference between my criticism of the game and the criticism it's getting from others like the ones depicted in this thread. I don't like it and it doesn't sound like it's for me, but that doesn't mean it's devoid of all merit and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean anyone deserved to be harassed. 

I mean, I write kinky fantasy smut for a living. That shit is NOT for everyone. Some people hate it when I put actual plot in my porn stories, but that's my artistic license. ND has every right to tell the story they want to play. Critics loved it, MOST gamers are loving it, the overwhelming consensus among fans and the gaming media is that the game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling and world building that doesn't adhere to traditional hero narratives. some people like that. some people don't. but the people who aren't whiny manchildren (and it's almost always men) who have an agenda agree that the game is good and artistically rich. There are plenty of popular games that get hate and criticism, but what we're seeing here is above and beyond. IT's acid. It's venom. It's poison. It's toxic. 

There's a world of difference between "I don't like where they went with the story" and "They're terrible for doing this to the story and they should feel bad and I'm angry about it." Even the 'good' criticism of the game tends to come across as toxic and destructive instead of constructive or subjective. 



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Shiken said:
Areaz32 said:

Who said it was limited to TLOUpt2 haters? The thread is about them, not every single nutjob out there.

The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob.  I simply stated that nutjobs are everywhere and they only make up a vocal minority of those who genuinely hate the game.

Did you only read one sentence and then smash the quote button?  Because the point went totally over your head.

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse



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vonny said:
Shiken said:

The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob.  I simply stated that nutjobs are everywhere and they only make up a vocal minority of those who genuinely hate the game.

Did you only read one sentence and then smash the quote button?  Because the point went totally over your head.

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse

Never said it did.  Don't be unnecessarily defensive.



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Shiken said:
vonny said:

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse

Never said it did.  Don't be unnecessarily defensive.

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

You clearly did, "hater" has a well established term with it's definition clearly separate of dislike/hate.  



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vonny said:
Shiken said:

Never said it did.  Don't be unnecessarily defensive.

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

You clearly did, "hater" has a well established term with it's definition clearly separate of dislike/hate.  

When in my post did I ever say "all people who dislike the game are just haters"?

You are trying too hard.  Use a bit of reading compression before you attempt to call someone out.  The topic is about haters, not people who simply dislike the game.



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Yeah.. Harassing the actors is just plain stupid and makes the harassers look like idiots. It also undermines the legitimate grievances about the story and makes it look like fans really are just bigots and manbabies.
The actors are naturally going to defend their employers and the work they've been doing, it's part of the business regardless of how they might personally feel about things. However, they are not the ones who have written the story or the characters, they just act based on the script they are given, that's what they're hired to do.
Attacking them is dumb, just dumb.



You guys are trying too hard to look into it, or try to explain why people have this kind of behavior.
No normal person would do something like this. It's just people with untreated psychiatric issues and they have always existed, the difference is that in the past you had to tie the writer to a bed and cut his leg off, today it is possible to do it being anonymous on the internet.
That does not mean the police should not pay them a visit, these people are dangerous.



Shiken said:
vonny said:

"The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

You clearly did, "hater" has a well established term with it's definition clearly separate of dislike/hate.  

When in my post did I ever say "all people who dislike the game are just haters"?

You are trying too hard.  Use a bit of reading compression before you attempt to call someone out.  The topic is about haters, not people who simply dislike the game.

I never said you did, show me where I said that?

You're the one which conflated Haters to equal anyone who dislike the game to devalue the issue of bat shit insane people, you yourself just said the topic is about haters not people disliking the game so why make a deflective claim "as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"



vonny said:
Shiken said:

The title says all LoU2 haters are nutjobs, as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob.  I simply stated that nutjobs are everywhere and they only make up a vocal minority of those who genuinely hate the game.

Did you only read one sentence and then smash the quote button?  Because the point went totally over your head.

Disliking the game has nothing to do with the term "hater" don't be deliberately obtuse

To the bolded below, you clearly state here that I am grouping people who dislike the game with haters.  Also try not contradicting yourself.

vonny said:
Shiken said:

When in my post did I ever say "all people who dislike the game are just haters"?

You are trying too hard.  Use a bit of reading compression before you attempt to call someone out.  The topic is about haters, not people who simply dislike the game.

I never said you did, show me where I said that?

You're the one which conflated Haters to equal anyone who dislike the game to devalue the issue of bat shit insane people, you yourself just said the topic is about haters not people disliking the game so why make a deflective claim "as if no one can hate the game without being a nutjob"

To the rest of your reply, I did not devalue anything nor did I conflate haters equal to just disliking the game.  You seem to be lookong for an argument that does not exist, and hurting your credibility at the same time with contradictions.  But let me spell it out for you anyway.

Not all people who hate on the game is a nutjob.  Are you honestly going to tell me that Nintendo or MS fans that hate on it just for being a Sony game (which classify them as haters) are part of the group sending death threats and the like?  No they are just being trolls, that does not mean they are nutjobs sending death threats.  In fact, the only ones sending death threats are likely a certain group of Sony fans that are outraged at the narrative decisions made by ND.

So again, please tell me how defective claims to devalue the issue of what is going on?  The only person making blanket statements between the two of us is you my friend.

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