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That said, the most important thing is the game. It proves that the Switch is selling much more than the 6TF Beast.



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Some are waiting for some major announcements to vote. But I argue that something major has already been around.

VR.

We know MS is not touching it this gen either and Sony is going deeper in after just coming out being the #1 VR product numbers wise. VR requires more power to run same games so while on a TV the diference of the new consoles could be disregarded, on VR it would have been more noticeable but sadly MS is not participating.

That's also a setup for next gen. This might really be the last gen for traditional consoles and why xbox is going the gamepass xcloud route because by then cloud gaming might really be good enough on your tv. But I'm gessing that the input lag and lower fidelity variable resolutions will be unacceptable for VR. So if a 10th does happen it will be focused on VR and I think gamers will take notice on 9th gen.



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That's a premature and perplexing prediction. There are still key pieces of information missing for both the PS5 and XSX, but one major change we already know about is that Microsoft is not self-destructing this time around; this lack of self-destruction also comes with the benefit of being set to have the more powerful console. The most important thing in the competition between Sony and Microsoft is who is becoming the console of choice for multiplats, because those games are the biggest sales drivers for both companies.

When Microsoft can keep it reasonably close in the USA despite their massive blunders (the PS4 sold only ~5m more than the XB1 through six years), then it should be clear that the US market is going to choose XSX over PS5 if both consoles are about equal. If the XSX costs the same as the PS5 while being more powerful, you can expect an even bigger shift. Let's go with that and assume that Microsoft takes 10m of Sony's sales in the USA. The final ratio between the PS4 and XB1 will be roughly 2.5:1 in favor of the PS4 (~125m vs. ~50m). If next gen sees 115m PS5s and 60m Xboxes sold, then that's a ratio of under 2:1 in favor of Sony. That's a signficant change in ratio despite only a small change in console sales, so this thread is silly at best.



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Hynad said:

Do you think it is wrong to say the XBSX will be more powerful than the PS5?

Obviously the XBOX is better on the paper specs, but i think the actual game performance is almost the same or the PS5 is a little higher.

Xbox definitely holds the technical edge.
It won't matter in the end though.



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I don't think the ratio will be quite the same, because as you point out yourself Xbox screwed up majorly this gen and I think they've learned their lesson this time.
That being said I still I think the change will be minor, because Playstation is just a stronger brand everywhere in the world except possibly the US.
Currently the split is around 70-30. My honest guess for next gen is something like 62.5-37.5



Pemalite said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Obviously the XBOX is better on the paper specs, but i think the actual game performance is almost the same or the PS5 is a little higher.

Xbox definitely holds the technical edge.
It won't matter in the end though.

Ok,I'll keep that in mind. 



Runa216 said:
sales2099 said:

No way this gens market share will be the same. PS5 will still win but by a lesser margin. How much we have to see.

Xbox won’t start with a crippling brand image, no mandatory peripheral, the rumoured $300 Xbox will undercut PS unlike Xbox One being $100 more, Series X has better specs on paper then PS5 unlike XB1, and their first party studios are really beefed up. And with all this you think Xbox will only sell 50 million lifetime? Lol cmon.

But despite all this, you mentioned huge changes in the industry. Xbox is moving away from just consoles and is becoming a ecosystem. If MS plays their cards right they don’t have to sell more consoles to have a more popular brand. Everybody on PC playing a Xbox first party studio game is part of Xbox. I mean their PCs run on MS operating systems just like Xbox might as well come full circle and give them Xbox games too. Game Pass, Xcloud especially if that takes off. I know Xbox won’t win conventionally, and that’s the point. MS changing the rules if they do it well. 

Do you even live in the same world as the rest of us? I mean...no crippling brand image? Are you okay? Microsoft has been the laughing stock of the industry since the Xbox One's launch in 2013. No games, no exclusives, and all this talk of 'more power' in the OneX model did nothing, Sony still beats them senseless and they continue to give less and less of a reason to get an Xbox by putting all their exclusives and features on PC/Switch. They have nothing but the power, and history proves that Raw Power has virtually no impact on game or console sales. The most powerful console never wins their generation. PS4 was bested by Xbox OneX, Wii won that generation over two far superior consoles, PS2 was the weakest of the three of that generation. I don't actually know which was stronger between PS1 and N64, but the point is that, historically, the most powerful console doesn't get a significant boost. 

Nothing in the last seven years indicates any change in momentum for Microsoft. They're putting out exclusives at a slower rate than ever before, and all we're getting is a dozen rapid-fire promises and attempts to strong-arm the competition by buying smaller companies. All the promises in the world mean nothing if they've consistently failed and fell short over the last decade or so. (Seriously, I think 2009 was the last time Xbox was on top of anything)

The general notion May 2020 about Xbox is not what the internet was like in May 2013 concerning Xbox. The brand was going in the wrong direction then, that’s not the case now. Your opening comment fails to acknowledge that and is a gross exaggeration.

The Xbox X came too late but it matters more in the beginning, when core gamers decide where to play their multiplats and it snowballs from there. And that’s a major advantage PS4 had with constant multiplat comparisons of 900p vs 1080p. 

As far as Switch goes, only a few minor games made their way over, or games that were all ready multiplat. And I suppose it’s a culture divide but PC isn’t separate anymore. It’s part of the ecosystem for anyone who partakes. And I’ve always had the notion that serious PC gamers weren’t gonna buy a Xbox anyway, so MS brings the games to them and thus has little impact on console sales. 


Power alone doesn’t win a gen, so good thing MS has the cheaper Xbox in the works. And they have been doing much promises lately, but July should start to put those concerns to rest. But you seem deluded yourself in that you don’t recognize their efforts in superior backwards compatibility, Game Pass being the best deal in gaming and a reason in itself to own a Xbox over PS. Xcloud being a wild card and their new studios paying off once their games are ready (it’s all ready been a couple years for many of their buys). 

I’ll just say that with this gen, you don’t need a Xbox to support Xbox. And that’s what will give the brand a fighting chance. PC gamers can “stick it to MS” by not buying their consoles, yet they be playing their games all the same. They be gaining a community where Sony largely won’t go. 



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Hynad said:

Do you think it is wrong to say the XBSX will be more powerful than the PS5?

Obviously the XBOX is better on the paper specs, but i think the actual game performance is almost the same or the PS5 is a little higher.

In the traditional sense, Xbox does seem to have the better specs. Multiplatform games will probably look identical, though and it will be up to the 1st party studios to get the most out of each platform. That's where I see Sony doing a much better job and still end up with the better looking games, especially during the first 2 years when everything will be cross gen on Series X. 



sales2099 said:

No way this gens market share will be the same. PS5 will still win but by a lesser margin. How much we have to see.

Xbox won’t start with a crippling brand image, no mandatory peripheral, the rumoured $300 Xbox will undercut PS unlike Xbox One being $100 more, Series X has better specs on paper then PS5 unlike XB1, and their first party studios are really beefed up. And with all this you think Xbox will only sell 50 million lifetime? Lol cmon.

But despite all this, you mentioned huge changes in the industry. Xbox is moving away from just consoles and is becoming a ecosystem. If MS plays their cards right they don’t have to sell more consoles to have a more popular brand. Everybody on PC playing a Xbox first party studio game is part of Xbox. I mean their PCs run on MS operating systems just like Xbox might as well come full circle and give them Xbox games too. Game Pass, Xcloud especially if that takes off. I know Xbox won’t win conventionally, and that’s the point. MS changing the rules if they do it well. 

You can't have the "they will do better in HW sales, but if they don't then it doesn't matter because they diversified with PC and GP". You are already setting up an excuse.



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