Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Nintendo quarterly results May 7th 2020 - Switch: 55.77m, (21m for the FY) Animal Crossing: 11.77m

Bofferbrauer2 said:
newwil7l said:

People have been parotting this point since 2018 lol.

Somebody dig out that thread with the pictures of Iwata and Pachter, where the latter is constantly ranting and tries to put a date on Nintendo's grave but constantly has to erase and replace it while Iwata is just chilling next to him. Just need to Switch (ha!) out the text and Iwata with their current president (or Doug Bowser) and voilà.

The pictures are not on the thread anymore, so I'll have to take an external source:

Was correct back then, and still true today...

The situation is totally different now.  Back then people said Nintendo needed a Wii HD.  Now people say Nintendo needs a Switch Pro.  Totally different!



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Wyrdness said:
Otter said:

I'm not sure what we're talking about? If it's the point about once in a gen hardware pushers, I don't see how it would have applied in 2018 when we didn't even have a mainline pokemon game on the platform. That just arrive 5monthe before AC.

I'm curious what do people think the Switches next massive hardware pushing software is? These are largely predictable releases and they push hardware. I feel like all known quantities are out in one form or another, and I don't see sequels performing to the same degree especially not where hardware boosts are concerned.  

Theres a difference between the average Nintendo exclusive (lugi's mansion/ zelda links awakening) and then the likes of PokemonS&S/MarionKart 8/Animal crossing/Smash bros etc that's why I say they will need to work some software magic or hardware ($149 Switch TV)

I remember someone mentioning Switch sports in the past, that could definitely be huge. But I also wouldn't be surprised if it underwhelmed.

Basically your whole argument here is what someone before you has said in prior years and each time things turned out differently to what they thought that's what he's pointing out each time the same argument is adjusted for example before March many people didn't think AC was as big a system seller as they were told.

Your post here even contradicts itself as Zelda which you class as an average exclusive has been the NS' flagship title at one point the NS version had over 100% attach rate as more people owned it than the platform due the not being enough Switchs in stock.

If someone said the Switches biggest software is behind it in 2018, i would say Smash, mainline pokemon and animal crossing are on the horizon. What do you say is on the horizon now? 

And Animal crossing has always been huge on portable, new leaf sold 12m. I don't think anyone expected how big horizons is but none the less it still is in Nintendo's elite and is top seller on everyone platform since NDS. 

2D/isometric Zelda =/= 3D Zelda. There is no contradiction there.

If you disagree with my opinion that Switch is unlikely to have another 20m+ year after fiscal year ending March 2021 (my comment was in response to their potentially being 3 more 20m years), I'd genuinely like to here why. Regardless of what anyone else said, it's a reasonable estimation from what I can see.



Otter said:
Wyrdness said:

Basically your whole argument here is what someone before you has said in prior years and each time things turned out differently to what they thought that's what he's pointing out each time the same argument is adjusted for example before March many people didn't think AC was as big a system seller as they were told.

Your post here even contradicts itself as Zelda which you class as an average exclusive has been the NS' flagship title at one point the NS version had over 100% attach rate as more people owned it than the platform due the not being enough Switchs in stock.

If someone said the Switches biggest software is behind it in 2018, i would say Smash, mainline pokemon and animal crossing are on the horizon. What do you say is on the horizon now? 

And Animal crossing has always been huge on portable, new leaf sold 12m. I don't think anyone expected how big horizons is but none the less it still is in Nintendo's elite and is top seller on everyone platform since NDS. 

2D/isometric Zelda =/= 3D Zelda. There is no contradiction there.

If you disagree with my opinion that Switch is unlikely to have another 20m+ year after fiscal year ending March 2021 (my comment was in response to their potentially being 3 more 20m years), I'd genuinely like to here why. Regardless of what anyone else said, it's a reasonable estimation from what I can see.

For 10m+ sellers:
2 Pokemon games, (2021 and 2022 unless corona pushes them back)
BotW 2
Another Mario Party
Tomadachi game
a strongly rumored 3D Mario collection

Again all of that is stuff that is very likely to release and has a good chance of going 10m+.  Nintendo still has strong sellers it can release every year, and this is on top of other games like Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4.  The release schedule is going to keep rolling out the hits.  On top of all of that:
-Those old big games like Zelda and Smash Bros still push hardware.
-Nintendo keeps releasing new IP every year.  Expect that to continue.
-The number of third party releases increases every year.
-Switch hasn't had a price drop yet.
-There is a virus that makes people want to sit at home and play video games.

Switch still has a lot of factors that will keep driving sales, and it hasn't shown any indication of slowing down yet.



Kai_Mao said:
scottslater said:

Yep, with that catalog of software already available in a short period of time the hardware will maintain strong sales for the next 3+ years.  Add in that less and less people seem to be impressed by Sony and Microsoft right now and I could really see the Switch having 3 years in a row of 20+ million hardware unit sales, possibly 4!

I'm not sure if the next-gen consoles will affect the Switch or vice versa. What will be interesting is how will sales go for the first year, at least. The economy, at least in the US, has been significantly affected by COVID-19, with millions of people filing for unemployment. Businesses are affected. Income is not as plentiful and some are forced to use some of their savings, if they have any, to get by. It will take some time for the economy to recover, especially if businesses are going to have limited services. This is not like the recession back in the late-2000s. I'm not sure if people, with the current economy, are willing to shell out $500 + $60 game(s).

Good point. Macroeconomics trends drive sales. If a videogame sets a low market focus then it will sell ok in bad economic times (not excellent, because of bad economic). But when a high profile videogame in the same scenario, then the consoles potentially suffer more than low market machines. 



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Otter said:
Wyrdness said:

Basically your whole argument here is what someone before you has said in prior years and each time things turned out differently to what they thought that's what he's pointing out each time the same argument is adjusted for example before March many people didn't think AC was as big a system seller as they were told.

Your post here even contradicts itself as Zelda which you class as an average exclusive has been the NS' flagship title at one point the NS version had over 100% attach rate as more people owned it than the platform due the not being enough Switchs in stock.

If someone said the Switches biggest software is behind it in 2018, i would say Smash, mainline pokemon and animal crossing are on the horizon. What do you say is on the horizon now? 

And Animal crossing has always been huge on portable, new leaf sold 12m. I don't think anyone expected how big horizons is but none the less it still is in Nintendo's elite and is top seller on everyone platform since NDS. 

2D/isometric Zelda =/= 3D Zelda. There is no contradiction there.

If you disagree with my opinion that Switch is unlikely to have another 20m+ year after fiscal year ending March 2021 (my comment was in response to their potentially being 3 more 20m years), I'd genuinely like to here why. Regardless of what anyone else said, it's a reasonable estimation from what I can see.

You’re repeating what’s been said before lol. 


This is the meme: This is honestly not that impressive. The Switch was always going to sell to their core audience of about 60 million, sales will fall off a cliff once it reaches that point. It's probably only going to sell to the kids of these core consumers from now on. There's been some reports from Latvia that sales were abysmal during the end of spring with people complaining about the grind in Animal Crossing. No software has been announced for the second half of the year reminding us all of the Wii U droughts.

In 2017, after Zelda and Mario the switch will fall off a cliff. Keep in mind Smash Wii U sold less than 5 million copies that wasn’t even in consideration

In 2018, people still wasn’t convinced that smash is a big deal until release. Even after release, they still said it will fall off a cliff. “Smash is just not a system seller”. “People who bought switch with Mario and Zelda were already smash fans”. Can’t possibly grow more.

In 2019, same thing. The switch already reached its core install base so a disspointing Pokémon game won’t change that.

In 2020, Animal Crossing is a non factor. Switch aha no aaa game coming out. 

- Beyonetta 3, Metroid 4 are all very important titles that could potentially be massive. Keep in mind Zelda sold 3 million copies (skyward sword) to  19 million (BOTW). 

- Mario Kart 9

- BOTW 2

- Odessey 2

- new ip

- new refreshed hardware



Otter said:

If someone said the Switches biggest software is behind it in 2018, i would say Smash, mainline pokemon and animal crossing are on the horizon. What do you say is on the horizon now? 

And Animal crossing has always been huge on portable, new leaf sold 12m. I don't think anyone expected how big horizons is but none the less it still is in Nintendo's elite and is top seller on everyone platform since NDS. 

2D/isometric Zelda =/= 3D Zelda. There is no contradiction there.

If you disagree with my opinion that Switch is unlikely to have another 20m+ year after fiscal year ending March 2021 (my comment was in response to their potentially being 3 more 20m years), I'd genuinely like to here why. Regardless of what anyone else said, it's a reasonable estimation from what I can see.

You're speaking in hindsight though much like those who used the same argument before so your version is now adjusted to reflect that I guarantee you the were people who didn't see AC as an elite platform seller if you went back to 2019 and told people AC would outsell FFVIIR easily and move far more platforms the would have been a significant amount of people who would have contested that and I'm not just talking about the founder of the cliff argument. Another possible title they can turn to is Tomodachi btw which moved a lot of 3DS' on release especially in Japan and Europe.

- The only games not on the system are the ones utilizing the power gap a lot more and people from day one weren't buying the system for high amount of power the reason the system has sold is because it's an appealing product that sells on the basis of fitting into anyone's gaming habits. This means the reasons for purchase of the platform varies significantly from the reasons other platforms are bought the are also a significant number of games on the platform you can't get else where.

- You say games like Pokemon are once in a generation impact yet Sun/Moon highlight this is incorrect as it gave the 3DS a second wind the same goes for sequels as other platforms sell on sequels to games like COD and Assassin's Creed for years.

- It has a monopoly on one side of the market while also competing in the other, the portable market sold 91m units in total with the Vita and 3DS those consumers all have to go somewhere for their portable fix.

- The Lite opens up the platform to having more than one per household as people may have a spouse or kids who are into gaming.

- At some point collective library begins selling the platform just as effectively as the need for a big market hyped title because the platform has enough flag ship titles people want at which point just increasing the number of quality titles becomes as good as putting out a big seller. We're seeing this on Switch with the list of evergreen titles growing and growing these aren't just games with sales legs they're helping sell units hence why their numbers are absurdly high.

All of these are factors people who use that argument don't pick up on because of a misguided view that how Sony and MS do things is the way things should play out they don't pick up on these factors because they don't come into play with the approach these two use this is why it keeps getting repeated and why it keeps getting defied as different factors are in play with Nintendo's approach.



Didn't realize til today; with these numbers Luigi's Mansion 3 has surpassed the sales of Dark Moon/2 and is the highest selling game in the franchise, after just 5 months.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

The situation is totally different now.  Back then people said Nintendo needed a Wii HD.  Now people say Nintendo needs a Switch Pro.  Totally different!

Why the HD though? Nintendo gave them Wii Sports HD, Mario Kart HD, Wii Fit HD, Super Mario Bros HD, Smash HD, 3D Zelda remake HD, a revolutionary 3D, HD Zelda sequel and less than 15% of Wii owners bought the system.



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Pyro as Bill said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

The situation is totally different now.  Back then people said Nintendo needed a Wii HD.  Now people say Nintendo needs a Switch Pro.  Totally different!

Why the HD though? Nintendo gave them Wii Sports HD, Mario Kart HD, Wii Fit HD, Super Mario Bros HD, Smash HD, 3D Zelda remake HD, a revolutionary 3D, HD Zelda sequel and less than 15% of Wii owners bought the system.

Wii HD was always a stupid idea.  That is what the comic is mocking.  Just like Switch Pro is a stupid idea.  It's the same stupid idea.  The fact that Nintendo actually made a Wii HD eventually really just proves how dumb Wii HD really was.  And yet people still keep talking about Switch Pro even though it's the same dumb idea.