Why would one expect people to be apolitical in a Politics thread?
Why would one expect people to be apolitical in a Politics thread?
AsGryffynn said:
I predict a Midwestern landslide before that. Texas isn't reversing unless Biden wins at least by 350+ |
Why would that be, pray tell? Partisan lean was about the same for all three in 2016, and we know Texas is trending Democratic while Iowa and Ohio aren't. Polls are also similar for the three, and we know errors favoring Dems in the Southwest are just as common as those favoring Reps in the Midwest. Unless you think Biden can somehow reverse back to the Obama coalition in spite of demographic shifts and polls showing his strength is suburban college-educated Whites and Trump's with exurban non-college-educated Whites...
Also, JWein is a Biden supporter and has admitted plenty of times he frames news according to his perspective, so no need to pick on him for that.
Jeez, I'm no Trump supporter per se, but you're I genuinely don't think you get to be supreme arbiters of right and wrong here. So much for being apolitical. |
When did I say I was the supreme arbiter of right and wrong, or that I was apolitical?
sundin13 said: Lots of high quality polling released today which largely locks in my predictions. Most of it is status quo which is good for Biden, so he should take Penn/Wisc/Mich and Arizona if the polls are accurate. On the other hand, Iowa and Ohio look real tight. I don't think they should matter much, but Biden might end up stealing one or both of them. Florida though is pretty spooky: Sienna/NYT says Biden +3, but ABC/WaPo says Trump +2. Some high quality polling from earlier in the week leans more towards Biden, but this is looking to be a tight race. IMO, this is basically a worst case scenario in terms of potential post-election violence. It lends some legitimacy to Trump's calls for a stolen election (to those who don't know what is going on) and could create a pretty huge mess. Even more so if Trump looks to the Supreme Court to steal the election which could get both camps pretty fired up and pissed off... |
I actually see this different. If this scenario unfolds I hope it happens. My reason is that if we truly believe in the process we need something like this to prove it out. If our courts can be bought, based on this scenario then we need to see it first hand because there is no way we can fight to make it better. I am not so concerned about Trump winning or losing, I am more concerned about base corruption within the process that would allow such a thing.
JWeinCom said: Welp, back to polling news. The Bad News Bad and good are from my point of view as someone supporting Biden. If you support Trump, flip it. Emerson has a poll showing Biden up by 4 points. Being up by 4 points nationally may or may not be enough to win the election based on the electoral college. That being said, Emerson has always had Biden lower than other high rated polls. 4 points is actually an increase from their last national poll. Still, they're a generally reliable pollster, and that number is concerning. Rasmussen has Biden up by 2... Their last poll had him down by 1. Rasmussen is kind of sketchy... Their last 6 polls show Biden up 2, down 3, up 5, up 12, up 8, and up 1. That's all over the course of one month. The electorate isn't changing that wildly. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. The biggest bad news for Biden is in Nortch Carolina. Survey USA has it as an even race, while RMG, and Ipsos have Biden up 1. Public Policy Polling has him up 4, but that's a pretty left leaning poll, so grain of salt. North Carolina is a must win for Trump, and is an important plan B state for Biden if the rust belt pulls a 16. Lastly, Susquehanna Polling has Trump up by 5 in Florida. It's a bit weird Trump would increase by so much in Florida when all signs point to a smaller national lead. Susquehanna is pretty sus, so again, grain of salt. Biden is still favored to win according to Fivethirtyeight, but not based on RCP averages. And while I feel intuitively that 538 should be better, RCP was actually more accurate in 16. That being said, Trump's Florida lead come strictly from Rasmussen, Trafalgar, and Susquehanna, and their recent results have been incredibly weird. |
padib said:
Brother, you will not find anything apolitical in this thread. Don't believe anyone, not even OP or a moderator to be apolitical. Here we have a thread where good is characterising things pro-biden, and bad things pro-trump. It all boils down to this: the world has taken our jobs, businesses, churches, families and put us in lockdown. They will impoverish us, and then will exchange our liberties for the acquittal of our debts. There will be human tracking and control at every level. The only main political leader who has proven to be fighting against this is Trump. So for those who are awake to this agenda, it's fairly easy to decide on what is good and on who to vote, and it's Trump. |
Been doing updates on the polling for a while. When I started characterizing news as good or bad, I specified that it was from my point of view, as demonstrated above. Eventually, I figured people could figure out that when dealing with something obviously subjective, I was expressing my subjective opinion, and didn't need the disclaimer. I apparently overestimated people.
And, we're not doing this whole sideswipe thing. People have been replying to you, including me, Perm, Kman, and Sundin at least, with actual data and evidence. Instead of addressing any of it, you respond to other people who you think agree with you, so that you can take side swipes.
8. TROLLING
You've already been warned, so you now have a couple of hours. You can engage and actually present arguments to back your shit up or there will be, at least, a thread ban. Cause coming in the thread to say outlandish shit, refusing to defend it, and then slinking away is trolling as defined by our rules. Of course, you'll blame it on a conspiracy against you but w/e.
You can start by justifying why a democratic society should not allow criticism of the president, except when the person criticizing is Trump and the President is Obama, and explain the specific steps Donald Trump has taken to prevent corruption. Or, you can go back and respond to KMan or Pemalite's posts which quoted you.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 01 November 2020padib said:
Brother, you will not find anything apolitical in this thread. Don't believe anyone, not even OP or a moderator to be apolitical. Here we have a thread where good is characterising things pro-biden, and bad things pro-trump. It all boils down to this: the world has taken our jobs, businesses, churches, families and put us in lockdown. They will impoverish us, and then will exchange our liberties for the acquittal of our debts. There will be human tracking and control at every level. The only main political leader who has proven to be fighting against this is Trump. So for those who are awake to this agenda, it's fairly easy to decide on what is good and on who to vote, and it's Trump. |
So we have this massive conspiracy that is happening globally and the only person in the world that can stop it is President Trump. I cannot wait until that movie comes out. I continue to wonder what exactly has the President done in his life before and after becoming President that people believe he is the savior.
Machiavellian said:
I actually see this different. If this scenario unfolds I hope it happens. My reason is that if we truly believe in the process we need something like this to prove it out. If our courts can be bought, based on this scenario then we need to see it first hand because there is no way we can fight to make it better. I am not so concerned about Trump winning or losing, I am more concerned about base corruption within the process that would allow such a thing. |
I think that perspective requires a faith in the American people that I simply do not have. The winners write history, so if this election is stolen by Trump, he will gladly write himself as the savior of our democracy and people like padib will accept it without question. We are already living in a post-truth society, so we cannot trust the eyes of our neighbors to spot a lie, and we certainly can't trust them to do anything about it.
JWeinCom said:
Been doing updates on the polling for a while. When I started characterizing news as good or bad, I specified that it was from my point of view, as demonstrated above. Eventually, I figured people could figure out that when dealing with something obviously subjective, I was expressing my subjective opinion, and didn't need the disclaimer. I apparently overestimated people. And, we're not doing this whole sideswipe thing. People have been replying to you, including me, Perm, Kman, and Sundin at least, with actual data and evidence. Instead of addressing any of it, you respond to other people who you think agree with you, so that you can take side swipes. 8. TROLLING
You've already been warned, so you now have a couple of hours. You can engage and actually present arguments to back your shit up or there will be, at least, a thread ban. Cause coming in the thread to say outlandish shit, refusing to defend it, and then slinking away is trolling as defined by our rules. Of course, you'll blame it on a conspiracy against you but w/e. You can start by justifying why a democratic society should not allow criticism of the president, except when the person criticizing is Trump and the President is Obama, and explain the specific steps Donald Trump has taken to prevent corruption. Or, you can go back and respond to KMan or Pemalite's posts which quoted you. |
I, like any rational person, fully believe in the power of free speech...but the shit Padib (and a handful of others in this thread) like to say really should be silenced. Not because of some conspiracy theory or some call for censorship of the opposition, but BECAUSE they do the things you're saying. they DO make a tonne of outrageous claims backed by nothing, do nothing to defend those claims, and have absolutely no facts backing it up. It's dangerous, because impressionable people will believe it and as we've seen this year, will act on it occasionally in violent ways.
If there was evidence to support his claims and he wasn't just talking out his ass, it'd be worth a discussion or consideration, but as it stands he's just shouting conspiracy theories and absolving himself of any and all accountability for his words. It's gross, and it really shouldn't be allowed. This is as close as hate speech or calls to violence without actually using slurs or demanding violence explicitly. Toeing the line.
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Machiavellian said:
So we have this massive conspiracy that is happening globally and the only person in the world that can stop it is President Trump. I cannot wait until that movie comes out. I continue to wonder what exactly has the President done in his life before and after becoming President that people believe he is the savior. |
Well... He ran a fraudulent university for which he had to pay 25 million dollars in settlements...
He was close friends with Jeffery Epstien of whom he said, "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side”.
He settled a lawsuit for not allowing minorities into his housing complexes, settled a lawsuit alleging that he was trying to force people out of their rent controlled housing...
He has been accused several of times of walking into locker rooms at his beauty pagean...
He paid a porn star hush money to stay quiet about his extramarital relations with her...
He's bragged about grabbing women by the pussy...
He was found guilty of using undocumented laborers to work on demolishing his buildings...
Clearly the one man who can save us from dishonesty and corruption.
Runa216 said:
I, like any rational person, fully believe in the power of free speech...but the shit Padib (and a handful of others in this thread) like to say really should be silenced. Not because of some conspiracy theory or some call for censorship of the opposition, but BECAUSE they do the things you're saying. they DO make a tonne of outrageous claims backed by nothing, do nothing to defend those claims, and have absolutely no facts backing it up. It's dangerous, because impressionable people will believe it and as we've seen this year, will act on it occasionally in violent ways. If there was evidence to support his claims and he wasn't just talking out his ass, it'd be worth a discussion or consideration, but as it stands he's just shouting conspiracy theories and absolving himself of any and all accountability for his words. It's gross, and it really shouldn't be allowed. This is as close as hate speech or calls to violence without actually using slurs or demanding violence explicitly. Toeing the line. |
I'm actually writing a paper on this exact sort of thing... which I should be working on right now since it's due tonight XD. Basically about under what conditions people who spread conspiracy theories should be liable for any damage caused.
In this case, I doubt anyone who did not already believe this kind of thing is going to change their mind because Padib said Trump is the bestest and everyone else is corrupt. So, I don't think it's imperative that it be banned immediately. I think the best way to handle it is to let them make their case, show why it's ridiculous, and let people see that. I still have a little bit of faith that for the most part, the responses will sway people more so than the ranting. And, I'm not gonna be a liar here, I find it kind of fun.
Of course, if they're not going to actually respond to anything, then it's just plain shit posting, and allowing it serves no purpose besides derailing the topic. So... they've been given a chance to show their point is valid, and if they don't take it, then they will be escorted out.