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padib said:

All you do is push your leftist agenda non-stop on political threads, your deception is so predictable.

Moren, leftist. Righty.

This is the problem with this partisanship. Moren is far from a leftist (as his many conflicts with actual leftist users in this forum show), but that doesn't mean he can't have an opinion I agree with. There is no left or right, there are people with a collection of political opinions. Sometimes these opinions overlap, sometimes not. Putting everything into this black-white (or more correctly red-blue) view, does horrendous damage to the political process.



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Mnementh said:
Ryuu96 said:

Side Note:

I love that Moren, possibly one of the more centrist users on the forums, who has had regular argument with our more left wing members, including pretty heated arguments with me! Constantly gets lumped in with them by the more right wing users he argues with, just cause he follows facts, Lol.

I am only here to underline this incredible truth!

Disclaimer: I still love him.

Moren! <3 We've had pretty big disagreements in certain areas, back when I was shilling for Bernie and Corbyn but I know his heart is in the right place, he low-key won in the end since I'm on the Biden train now but yeah, I always get a chuckle when Moren gets lumped in with the far-left, has happened a few times just based on him having a disagreement with a Republican point.



padib said:

By the way, did you know that by living you are closer and closer to dying? Then what, stop breathing to avoid getting old? This is exactly COVID. For fear of something so harmless, we are putting a break on everyday life. The covid is not near deadly enough to warrant what we are seeing:

  • a loss of our jobs
  • a loss of honesty and reliable news coverage
  • a loss of our freedoms
  • a loss of affection and closeness
  • social chaos

It's just not worth any of it.

Are you so afraid of it?

Why not have both? Some of the east-asian countries and New Zealand and Australia have considerably better results in fighting the epidemic than the rest of the world. Massive differences. And apparently these countries also have not as much of an economic impact. This means you can both fight the epidemic and save the economy. It is not a contradiction.



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Ryuu96 said:
Mnementh said:

I am only here to underline this incredible truth!

Disclaimer: I still love him.

Moren! <3 We've had pretty big disagreements in certain areas, back when I was shilling for Bernie and Corbyn but I know his heart is in the right place, he low-key won in the end since I'm on the Biden train now but yeah, I always get a chuckle when Moren gets lumped in with the far-left, has happened a few times just based on him having a disagreement with a Republican point.

That's the strategy though. Don't address the actual idea, just slap a negative label on it and attack the label. 

I still think Bernie would be a better president. He's shown better foresight and judgement. I.e. opposing the Iraq war and foreseeing the recession. But unfortunately a candidate has to be electable. Bernie may have been able to win in 2016, but they've spent the last 4 years really hammering the red scare tactics. Someone calling themselves a socialist (or a democratic socialist even) is probably not winning a national election in this climate.



JWeinCom said:
padib said:

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

With the democrats in power, the United states loses its identity, panders to other countries and impoverishes the nation. They higher taxes and are slow to make meaningful change in the country. The leaders are horribly corrupt and filling their pockets with money. The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

For that main reason, I hope Trump is voted in and causes a change of mindset in americans, but I know that the media has too much influence over the minds of the population. I pray that this mind control will one day stop, but the wheel has turned too round and too long. Corruption is eating the country from within, so much so that people have lost their wits and are fully under the spell of globalist agendas, and now are asking for it to be enforced.


I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

Your post is bad, and you should feel bad.

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

There is no "official" news source. But, the Wall Street Journal, The Federalist, the New York Post, Breitbart, and Washington Examiner are all examples of pro-republican news sources. Fox News happens to be the #1 TV News Source by a big margin. Dunno how the fuck the democrats have control over the media. Surely if they controlled it, Fox wouldn't be allowed to exist and thrive.

Moreover, there is no need for news media to lean one side or the other. If all of the news sources agree with one point of view, they're free to express it. There's no mandate it be broken down 50-50. If Donald Trump is a moron, then the media should report that he's a moron.

The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

This is a load of horse shit. The country was founded upon an open act of rebellion. The first amendment was designed SPECIFICALLY to allow the press to criticize the government. Being allowed to throw dirt on government figures is one of the most important rights we possess, and Fox News and Trump himself enjoyed the fuck out of that right during Obama's presidency. 

But I'm guessing it's ok, because he's criticizing people who deserve criticism, but when the left does it it's because they're just big ol' meanies. Amirite?

Democracy does not work when only a pro government viewpoint is allowed, because then they're going to get reelected no matter what kind of shit they pull. Democracy requires accountability.

There is a word for a system of government where you can't criticize the leadership. It's called fascism. If you want a country where the press can't criticize the government, China, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea might be the place for you. 

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

Maybe people will wake up when you provide some sort of evidence instead of tin foil hat bullshit. 

I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

Oh wow. You find people who agree with you to be more reasonable. How fucking shocking.

Maybe you should consider that when you post shit like this calling democrats hostile, unreasonable, brainwashed, dishonest, and anti-American, they're not going to respond to your bullshit by being warm and cuddly. This whole paragraph is just you shitting on people you disagree with. Then when they respond with well deserved hostility "AHA! SEE THE LEFT IS TERRIBLE!" Fucking nonsense.

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

Responsible leadership? People in charge who rationally evaluate evidence? A secretary of education who actually knows about education? Responsible stewardship of the environment? Homosexuals to be treated equally to heterosexuals? The right to autonomy over our bodies? An end to using the judicial system as a way to extort from the most impoverished among us to raise revenues? District maps that are not designed to empower one party? Voter encouragement instead of voter suppression? Affordable healthcare like every other western country in the world has? Access to educational opportunity? Just a few things. 

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

So... like the moron in chief, you seem to think saying something enough will make it true. But, that's not how it works. You have to actually back your shit up around these parts.

So Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government? How is he doing that? By giving jobs to people who are dangerously unqualified but donated money to him?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974

By giving jobs to his family members?

https://www.usglc.org/positions/white-house-senior-advisor-president/

By appointing lobbyists to top level positions and presiding over an increase in lobbyists?

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration

https://www.statista.com/chart/18978/lobby-spending-number-of-lobby-organizations-us/

What kind of misinformation is being spread by actual news sources? I mean, I'm sure you could find some nonsense posted by random twitter user, but what respected media source is spreading misinformation?

Trump on the other hand has been documented spreading misinformation. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


But of course I'm sure that anyone calling Trump a liar is part of the brainwashed leftist agenda. Heads you win tails I lose. 

To say that a lot of the mainstream media doesn't have an obvious lefty slant and bias is asinine. It was mostly nothing but crickets in mainstream media when it comes to the Hunter Biden leaks. I'm in a democrat run state and my local news doesn't even cover any substantial stories of this topic. They try to paint as if they are being are abiding to journalists ethics and should not report on unverified info. They would have fooled me in 2010. Having unverified information never stopped them from peddling all those fantastical stories about Russia Collusion, Brett Kavanaugh and a ton of other shit that they milked like crazy.

It's ironic that a lot of the big things that Democrats accused Trump of seem to all be projected from Biden's own corruption.



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iron_megalith said:
JWeinCom said:

Your post is bad, and you should feel bad.

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

There is no "official" news source. But, the Wall Street Journal, The Federalist, the New York Post, Breitbart, and Washington Examiner are all examples of pro-republican news sources. Fox News happens to be the #1 TV News Source by a big margin. Dunno how the fuck the democrats have control over the media. Surely if they controlled it, Fox wouldn't be allowed to exist and thrive.

Moreover, there is no need for news media to lean one side or the other. If all of the news sources agree with one point of view, they're free to express it. There's no mandate it be broken down 50-50. If Donald Trump is a moron, then the media should report that he's a moron.

The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

This is a load of horse shit. The country was founded upon an open act of rebellion. The first amendment was designed SPECIFICALLY to allow the press to criticize the government. Being allowed to throw dirt on government figures is one of the most important rights we possess, and Fox News and Trump himself enjoyed the fuck out of that right during Obama's presidency. 

But I'm guessing it's ok, because he's criticizing people who deserve criticism, but when the left does it it's because they're just big ol' meanies. Amirite?

Democracy does not work when only a pro government viewpoint is allowed, because then they're going to get reelected no matter what kind of shit they pull. Democracy requires accountability.

There is a word for a system of government where you can't criticize the leadership. It's called fascism. If you want a country where the press can't criticize the government, China, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea might be the place for you. 

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

Maybe people will wake up when you provide some sort of evidence instead of tin foil hat bullshit. 

I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

Oh wow. You find people who agree with you to be more reasonable. How fucking shocking.

Maybe you should consider that when you post shit like this calling democrats hostile, unreasonable, brainwashed, dishonest, and anti-American, they're not going to respond to your bullshit by being warm and cuddly. This whole paragraph is just you shitting on people you disagree with. Then when they respond with well deserved hostility "AHA! SEE THE LEFT IS TERRIBLE!" Fucking nonsense.

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

Responsible leadership? People in charge who rationally evaluate evidence? A secretary of education who actually knows about education? Responsible stewardship of the environment? Homosexuals to be treated equally to heterosexuals? The right to autonomy over our bodies? An end to using the judicial system as a way to extort from the most impoverished among us to raise revenues? District maps that are not designed to empower one party? Voter encouragement instead of voter suppression? Affordable healthcare like every other western country in the world has? Access to educational opportunity? Just a few things. 

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

So... like the moron in chief, you seem to think saying something enough will make it true. But, that's not how it works. You have to actually back your shit up around these parts.

So Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government? How is he doing that? By giving jobs to people who are dangerously unqualified but donated money to him?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974

By giving jobs to his family members?

https://www.usglc.org/positions/white-house-senior-advisor-president/

By appointing lobbyists to top level positions and presiding over an increase in lobbyists?

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration

https://www.statista.com/chart/18978/lobby-spending-number-of-lobby-organizations-us/

What kind of misinformation is being spread by actual news sources? I mean, I'm sure you could find some nonsense posted by random twitter user, but what respected media source is spreading misinformation?

Trump on the other hand has been documented spreading misinformation. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


But of course I'm sure that anyone calling Trump a liar is part of the brainwashed leftist agenda. Heads you win tails I lose. 

To say that a lot of the mainstream media doesn't have an obvious lefty slant and bias is asinine. It was mostly nothing but crickets in mainstream media when it comes to the Hunter Biden leaks. I'm in a democrat run state and my local news doesn't even cover any substantial stories of this topic. They try to paint as if they are being are abiding to journalists ethics and should not report on unverified info. They would have fooled me in 2010. Having unverified information never stopped them from peddling all those fantastical stories about Russia Collusion, Brett Kavanaugh and a ton of other shit that they milked like crazy.

It's ironic that a lot of the big things that Democrats accused Trump of seem to all be projected from Biden's own corruption.

Well then, it's a good thing I didn't say that, isn't it?



padib said:
Moren said:

Took long enough for you to take off your mask.

An ad-hominem, I'm so shocked!

In reality, when I made my post, something told me that you'd be the first to reply, then Jwein. You just can't accept that someone has a concervative opinion, and now look, you  ad-hominem me.

I don't have and never had a mask, this was my opinion all along. For you however I can't say the same. All you do is push your leftist agenda non-stop on political threads, your deception is so predictable.

You are also doing ad-hominem.

Don't be hypocritical if you are going to complain about someone doing something, then do the exact same thing, it just destroys any logical argument you may  be attempting to push forth.


padib said:

People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work.

The United States is doing this. As a result it has the most COVID cases and the most deaths in the world... In-fact COVID has killed more Americans than World War 1. - Potentially more Americans may die from COVID over the span of the entire pandemic than World War 2.


The issue with those who are under 40... If they do not wear protection, then they will spread the disease more rapidly to those over 40, wearing a mask is a protection measure that can save a life.

Yes we need to work, the economy needs to keep functioning, but the United States is shit on that front as well... Clearly doing the absolute minimum in regards to the Virus and balancing the economy isn't working... The USA is trending very very very poorly, one of the worst nations in the world.


The nations who defeated the Virus like Australia and New Zealand were able to get back to economic output sooner and more rapidly than the USA who is still fumbling around in the dark trying to work out how to manage a pandemic.
If I was an American I would be extremely embarrassed by the lack of leadership and direction.

padib said:

Compare that with what we have to go through, an honestly absurd situation.

  • People are getting tazed because they refuse to wear a mask while outdoors, at a soccer game, surrounded by family. This makes no sense.

The USA has always been a little weapon-happy, people are always happy to shout "freedom" instead of just doing the right thing to keep everyone safe and happy.

padib said:

  • Small business are closing down because people are too afraid to visit small boutiques. Superstores are flourishing (Walmart) and online commerces are booming (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Zoom, etc).

Wear a fucking mask, use hand sanitzier, wear gloves, social distance, do the right thing that has proven to work in curbing virulent spread, then people won't be afraid to visit these places anymore.

You are part of the problem if you refuse to do these things, so no point complaining about these businesses closing as a nation it's your fault.

Having a competent government that provides support to these businesses is also a must.

padib said:
  • The economy of certain american states is crumbling, and here in canada many people are losing jobs.

Jobs have been lost world wide, the USA seems to be prolonging this issue though.

I think a worldwide contraction of -3% is going to happen this year, big chunk of that is thanks to China and the USA.

padib said:
  • The covid death count is being manipulated so that the numbers are inflated. That's unacceptable.

Prove it.

padib said:
  • The police are given a right to enter people's homes without a warrant to arrest and fine people who do not respect the rules about the number of people who can congregate.

Good.

padib said:
  • I can't hug my family members, for no good reason. My grandmother is living on a thread because only my aunt can see her

You will probably end up killing your grandmother due to your refusal to take appropriate COVID precautions like you alluded to prior.
So it's probably the absolute very best for her own welfare.

padib said:
  • I lost two employees in my business.

That's life, work around it.

padib said:

This is all for what? There is nothing that tells us that COVID is what the media has bombarded us with, all the fear and confusion and ignorance. The COVID is not the problem we are led to believe it is, but it is only a scare, a magic trick played by the elite to lead us to a globalized police government.

You are also spreading fear and ignorance about the issue, you have taken what the conservative-right wing media has promoted and ran full hog with it.

The "Elite" includes the likes of Donald Trump who you have aligned yoruself with, a little hypocritical if you complain about the Elite but promote Trump at every opportunity.

padib said:

We all need to be very careful about what we're allowing our governments to do, and this is not just in the US, but all around the globe. People have become numb to common sense and to the defence of their sovereinty and rights.

Life, Property, Environment.
In order from most important to least important, but all still important... Those are the foundations that the emergency services are built upon here, sadly property aka. Money seems to take a priority in your eyes and the eyes of the USA, which is absolutely frightening.

And I agree we need to keep Governments held accountable... And not blame shifting to other parties, Trump is guilty for everything that is happening in the USA right now, China is guilty for kickstarting the pandemic.

Both need to be held accountable in order to bring back a sense of trust to the political system in the USA, because right now... The world is watching and the world is not copying the USA.

padib said:

For me, right now, Trumps election means more to me than any election has ever had for any nation, even more so than Belarus, Egypt and Israel or my own Canada. Trump is fighting a war against the global machine that Kennedy warned us against, and got assassinated for. It's time we finally do something about this invisible mob and fight.

Prove it. Don't just promote baseless conspiracies, actually try and prove it.

padib said:

Feels shitty, doesn't it? That's how it is to have a conservative opinion here. There's just no room for it and no tolerance. My post post wasn't anti-left like some are saying, it's the truth. I just described the left as I saw it, and if it's negative, then that's what it objectively is. I'm not being anti-something if that something is negative.

There is tolerance for conservative opinions here, no point having a whinge. - Hence why you are still allowed to post, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to promote your bullshit (left wing or right wing) without opposition, opinions go TWO WAYS. It's a forum. Everyone has an opinion, yours isn't the only one existing in a vacuum.

Either way this part of your post is a thought-terminating cliche which could probably fall towards the red herring logical fallacy... Essentially your argument is that... You don't care if you are wrong, you just want to impose your opinion without anyone countering it.

Nautilus said:

It's not that you guys suck. It's that you guys don't discuss, but rather jump on people throats for not sharing the same opinion. It's the same back in the COVID thread. If you didn't think that the virus was that big of a deal and was more worried about the economical fallout of all this, you were gunned down for being "heartless".

They are being heartless and I have personally elaborated many times on why they were heartless.

Life comes above all else. No exception.

If you have only entered this thread to attack other individuals rather than contribute to the flow of discussion... Then perhaps you should step out of the thread. If you intend to provide your own thoughts, regardless if we agree or disagree, then welcome.

LurkerJ said:

Trump 2020 is not Trump 2016, he's running on a conservative republican platform now, which is a snooze. Screaming "socialism" will get you nowhere. In 2016, Trump was the socialist when compared to Hillary, in fact, issue by issue, Trump was on the left to Hillary in most cases. Say what you want about his credibility, but his platform was engaging.

Anyway, wasn't it for COVID, I think Trump would've still had a chance as the economy was going strong, but the tides have turned, which is why not acting on most of his promises, especially better healthcare, was a mistake.

The only thing going for Trump these days is that he's against thugs and the trail of chaos they leave behind in the name of protesting police brutality. I think a sizeable silent voting base will choose Trump because they have no sympathy for losers who passed on countless chances to better their lives and now are acting out because they made bad choices their entire lives and want the rest to foot the bill. My money is still on Biden, nonetheless. 

I personally wouldn't consider Trump or Hillary as socialist-pushing left-wing ideal promoters.
The USA seems to be a big step over to the right as far as the political left vs right political line is concerned, so left-wing stuff tends to be more centrist/right-wing in the rest of the world.



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JWeinCom said:
padib said:

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

With the democrats in power, the United states loses its identity, panders to other countries and impoverishes the nation. They higher taxes and are slow to make meaningful change in the country. The leaders are horribly corrupt and filling their pockets with money. The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

For that main reason, I hope Trump is voted in and causes a change of mindset in americans, but I know that the media has too much influence over the minds of the population. I pray that this mind control will one day stop, but the wheel has turned too round and too long. Corruption is eating the country from within, so much so that people have lost their wits and are fully under the spell of globalist agendas, and now are asking for it to be enforced.


I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

Your post is bad, and you should feel bad.

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

There is no "official" news source. But, the Wall Street Journal, The Federalist, the New York Post, Breitbart, and Washington Examiner are all examples of pro-republican news sources. Fox News happens to be the #1 TV News Source by a big margin. Dunno how the fuck the democrats have control over the media. Surely if they controlled it, Fox wouldn't be allowed to exist and thrive.

Moreover, there is no need for news media to lean one side or the other. If all of the news sources agree with one point of view, they're free to express it. There's no mandate it be broken down 50-50. If Donald Trump is a moron, then the media should report that he's a moron.

The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

This is a load of horse shit. The country was founded upon an open act of rebellion. The first amendment was designed SPECIFICALLY to allow the press to criticize the government. Being allowed to throw dirt on government figures is one of the most important rights we possess, and Fox News and Trump himself enjoyed the fuck out of that right during Obama's presidency. 

But I'm guessing it's ok, because he's criticizing people who deserve criticism, but when the left does it it's because they're just big ol' meanies. Amirite?

Democracy does not work when only a pro government viewpoint is allowed, because then they're going to get reelected no matter what kind of shit they pull. Democracy requires accountability.

There is a word for a system of government where you can't criticize the leadership. It's called fascism. If you want a country where the press can't criticize the government, China, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea might be the place for you. 

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

Maybe people will wake up when you provide some sort of evidence instead of tin foil hat bullshit. 

I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

Oh wow. You find people who agree with you to be more reasonable. How fucking shocking.

Maybe you should consider that when you post shit like this calling democrats hostile, unreasonable, brainwashed, dishonest, and anti-American, they're not going to respond to your bullshit by being warm and cuddly. This whole paragraph is just you shitting on people you disagree with. Then when they respond with well deserved hostility "AHA! SEE THE LEFT IS TERRIBLE!" Fucking nonsense.

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

Responsible leadership? People in charge who rationally evaluate evidence? A secretary of education who actually knows about education? Responsible stewardship of the environment? Homosexuals to be treated equally to heterosexuals? The right to autonomy over our bodies? An end to using the judicial system as a way to extort from the most impoverished among us to raise revenues? District maps that are not designed to empower one party? Voter encouragement instead of voter suppression? Affordable healthcare like every other western country in the world has? Access to educational opportunity? Just a few things. 

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

So... like the moron in chief, you seem to think saying something enough will make it true. But, that's not how it works. You have to actually back your shit up around these parts.

So Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government? How is he doing that? By giving jobs to people who are dangerously unqualified but donated money to him?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974

By giving jobs to his family members?

https://www.usglc.org/positions/white-house-senior-advisor-president/

By appointing lobbyists to top level positions and presiding over an increase in lobbyists?

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration

https://www.statista.com/chart/18978/lobby-spending-number-of-lobby-organizations-us/

What kind of misinformation is being spread by actual news sources? I mean, I'm sure you could find some nonsense posted by random twitter user, but what respected media source is spreading misinformation?

Trump on the other hand has been documented spreading misinformation. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


But of course I'm sure that anyone calling Trump a liar is part of the brainwashed leftist agenda. Heads you win tails I lose. 

Best. Reply. Ever.

Pemalite said:
padib said:

The democratics have control over the media and control over pop culture. The only official news source that is pro-republican nowadays is Fox.

5 seconds of your google time would determine that this is a lie.

padib said:

With the democrats in power, the United states loses its identity, panders to other countries and impoverishes the nation. They higher taxes and are slow to make meaningful change in the country. The leaders are horribly corrupt and filling their pockets with money. The media will only create unrest as they continuously throw dirt on the primary elected figure of leadership in the country. That is anti-democratic and unsovereign and should never exist. 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/study-economy-democratic-presidents-republican-2013-12?r=US&IR=T
Impoverishes the nation? The false spin is real. And you blame the media for fake news? Haha



As for taxes... Both democrats and republicans have a history of tax cuts and tax increases... But both Party's tend to target tax cuts at different demographics due to very different economic approaches. (I.E. Trickle down economics with republicans and socialist economics with democrats.) - Neither approach is inherently wrong.




padib said:

I am exhausted of this lop-sided agenda pro-fear and anti-trump. When will the american people wake up to their brainwashing? Covid is a scare made to enslave the global population and enrich the elite. Small business are dying in Canada and many are losing their jobs. There is a globalist agenda to bring down the nations, and America is still one of the rare ones to resist this servitude.

You *are* on a lop-sided agenda because you aren't taking a centrist approach, only a right-wing conservative approach.
The issue you personally are bringing to the table is that you aren't willing to listen to your opponents, acknowledge the legitimate points they raise and support them on basis of merit in order to benefit the entire nation.
Don't worry, your opponents are equally as guilty of this, but you can learn to improve on this aspect as an individual.

The "Globalist Agenda" is just a conspiracy theory without any factual evidence to backup such an assertion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

That's not to say globalism isn't a thing, far from it, we are living in an inter-connected world, not a walled off one due to the advent of technology that has removed geographical limitations in our ways of interacting and trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

padib said:

I have also noticed that most republican americans I have run into are generally reasonable, calm people who want peace and order, while my experience with those on the left is full of hostility, peer pressure and unfriendliness. I noticed that most republicans I ran into so far are much more moderate, and are pushing against an agenda that is anti-american, while those on the left generally embrace this agenda.

Your entire post is about rubbishing your opponents, those who believe differently, that is far from being "reasonable", "calm", "promoting peace and order" and "understanding".

Maybe you don't see the hypocrisy of your post? But I can assure you, others certainly do.

The further left or right you go, the more they are the same, hate is on both sides of the political divide... My suggestion to you is to push past it, step up, be a centrist and weigh the arguments from either side on the merits they bring to the table rather than continue the constant droll left vs right wing political mud slinging, honestly both sides are as bad as each other and often so are the supporters.

padib said:

With all this lack of civility and destruction of our current society, it makes me wonder what exactly the leftists are hoping after all this. Their corrupted government will come in power, continue their brainwashing scheme, take credit for things they didn't do, fill their pockets, control the information, increase control of the population and impoverish the country until there is nothing left. So what does the left want in the end?

You have a right-wing conservative government in total control of your nation.
If there is a lack of civility and destruction runs rampant, then the issue starts from the very top, your leader needs to grow a spine and take some affirmative action.

Moaning about "leftists" isn't resolving fuck all when you can't even sort your own backyard bullshit out.

padib said:

As it stands, Trump is the only one standing in the way of the corrupted government, and the left want him to go, smearing all kinds of misinformation on his behalf. Why?

Corruption exists in any Government.
Trump has lied, Trump has done some corrupt things in the past.

And the same happened with Hillary.

What needs to happen is an independent inquiry done, not the constant drivel left vs right political dribble that ultimately gets nowhere.

These two posts perfectly show what is the main difference between leftists and right-wing proponents here: Leftists here strongly tend to do their research and present facts and evidence while right-wing proponents tend to repeat stock phrases from republican leaders and influencers without double-checking if there's any truth to it. And as a result, a guy like Moren, who is far from being a leftist and more of a centrist or even center-right, is often called one because he's doing his research and is basing his reasoning on actual facts, too.



JWeinCom said:
iron_megalith said:

To say that a lot of the mainstream media doesn't have an obvious lefty slant and bias is asinine. It was mostly nothing but crickets in mainstream media when it comes to the Hunter Biden leaks. I'm in a democrat run state and my local news doesn't even cover any substantial stories of this topic. They try to paint as if they are being are abiding to journalists ethics and should not report on unverified info. They would have fooled me in 2010. Having unverified information never stopped them from peddling all those fantastical stories about Russia Collusion, Brett Kavanaugh and a ton of other shit that they milked like crazy.

It's ironic that a lot of the big things that Democrats accused Trump of seem to all be projected from Biden's own corruption.

Well then, it's a good thing I didn't say that, isn't it?

Not really. You were refuting his opinion that the democrats do not have control over the news narrative which is hard sell considering the obvious bias that's been going around.

JWeinCom said:

Dunno how the fuck the democrats have control over the media. Surely if they controlled it, Fox wouldn't be allowed to exist and thrive.



iron_megalith said:
JWeinCom said:

Well then, it's a good thing I didn't say that, isn't it?

Not really. You were refuting his opinion that the democrats do not have control over the news narrative which is hard sell considering the obvious bias that's been going around.

JWeinCom said:

Dunno how the fuck the democrats have control over the media. Surely if they controlled it, Fox wouldn't be allowed to exist and thrive.

Yarly. 

First off, stop adding in words and changing the argument. Control over the media is not control over the news narrative (although I don't think you've demonstrated that democrats control either). Meanwhile, I never said anything about the mainstream media, mainly cause I'm still not sure what that is. The biggest TV news source isn't considered mainstream, so who the hell knows. But whatever it is. it's obviously a smaller subset of "media", so the change of wording drastically changes the argument. If democrats control "the mainstream media" it does not mean they control "the media". Read the actual words I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

We'll assume for the sake of argument that all news outlets run by democrats are biased. That has nothing to do with whether or not democrats control the media. They control the media outlets they own (by definition), but don't control the many media outlets they don't control. Which is like, duh.

Controlling the media would mean that they exert dominance such that they could set the standard for the entire media, or at least a massively outsized portion of it. 

Let's take a quick look at realclear politics' frontpage...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Some of the headlines on their front page...

PA Rally: Trump Is 'For Our Jobs', Biden's Against Them

After Biden Exposés, Some Early Voters Seek to Change Vote

I'm a Suburban Mom Proud to Vote for Trump

Trump's Agenda: Then, Now and in the Future?

7 Leftist Threats That Political Terror Is Coming to U.S

Trump Racks Up Peace Agreements, Starts No New Wars

Data Shows Climate Hysteria Isn't Grounded in Science

By comparison there are 7 unambiguously pro democratic stories. Just about the same amount. 

So, Democrats obviously don't control RealClearPolitics, nor do they control any of the sites producing these articles (RCP for the most part just collects it). Or, if they do control it, they are graciously allowing all of these stories to be published. Conservative media as a whole seems to be doing just fine.

Whether or not sources that actually are controlled by democrats are biased has nothing to do with whether they control the media, or whether Fox News is the only "official" republican news source, which is the context from which you took my statement. Democrats could control the media and not be biased, or could not control the media and be very biased. They're not the same things, no matter how badly you want them to be.

At no point did I say that there aren't "a lot" of "mainstream media sources" that "have an obvious lefty slant and bias". Whether or not I'd agree with that statement depends on how you define those terms. If you understood it that way, you have been corrected. I don't know how you possibly could have misunderstood, since the post you quoted clearly explained why I don't agree that democrats control the media, but either way, stop attacking the strawman. I'm really uninterested in defending a position I don't hold.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 29 October 2020