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Is Biden's campaign no longer viable?

Yes, his campaign is dead! 31 46.27%
 
His campaign is badly hur... 15 22.39%
 
He will take a small hit,... 5 7.46%
 
No, this result will not hurt his campaign. 7 10.45%
 
Donald Trump will win the democratic primary! 9 13.43%
 
Total:67
Jumpin on 13 March 2020
sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

The way I see it. Biden is like poisoning the US over many years. A slow death. Trump is like a stab to the gut. Still slow, but not nearly as much. Biden is better than Trump but he'll continue the decline of the US. In the end, Americans will choose whether they want to heal or die in different ways. The Empire can't behave like an empire anymore and the hegemony is over. Now you can be like the Romans who died out or the English who made UK better than it was as an empire.

How is slowly moving to the left "poisoning"?

Biden's healthcare plan is more progressive than what we have now. Basically all of his plans are. While there may be some imperative to getting to our end goal more quickly, why not choose the candidate that will at least give us a bit of a head start instead of sprinting in the opposite direction?

The way to help usher Bernie's Revolution forward is by bringing people into the system and encouraging people who don't vote to start voting. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is just pushing us in the opposite direction. It shows in how the voters reacted to Bernie this time around. He lost ground in a lot of areas, and his young demographic simply did not show up. Trump isn't pushing us closer to a revolution. All he is doing is dragging us away from that destination. The fact that any Sanders supporter can act so blind to the damage that is being done still just baffles me. If you truly support Bernie's ideas, vote for Biden in the general.

The difference is you have a much better handle on how the democratic process works than most people in a gaming forum do. Instead of paying attention to the hype and sales pitches, you pay more attention to reality.



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sundin13 on 13 March 2020
Eagle367 said:
sundin13 said:

How is slowly moving to the left "poisoning"?

Biden's healthcare plan is more progressive than what we have now. Basically all of his plans are. While there may be some imperative to getting to our end goal more quickly, why not choose the candidate that will at least give us a bit of a head start instead of sprinting in the opposite direction?

The way to help usher Bernie's Revolution forward is by bringing people into the system and encouraging people who don't vote to start voting. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is just pushing us in the opposite direction. It shows in how the voters reacted to Bernie this time around. He lost ground in a lot of areas, and his young demographic simply did not show up. Trump isn't pushing us closer to a revolution. All he is doing is dragging us away from that destination. The fact that any Sanders supporter can act so blind to the damage that is being done still just baffles me. If you truly support Bernie's ideas, vote for Biden in the general.

Hahahahaha you're assuming that everything Biden says is in good faith and he won't turn around and do all the nonsense he's always done. Remember Obama campaigned further left than Biden did. The result? He couldn't even close Gitmo. All the decades of neoliberalism and neoconservatism also brought Trump to power and Obama helped in that. How much did democrats loose under Obama again? Some 1500 seats or so I believe. The one crowning achievement that he has that was actually the work of many nations putting their heads together and not all Obama's brilliance was the Iran nuclear deal and Trump tore through that like it was nothing. Obamacare was like putting a Band-Aid on a stab wound, he bailed out all the rich corporations in 2008 and left all the common working people high and dry, what actual wage increase did most people see in his time? What did he do to make education better and more affordable? What  did he do about infrastructure? And let's all remember which side he was on during occupy Wall Street. 

And did the war mongering stop? Nope! In fact news places for war started, Lebanon and Syria. Meanwhile Iraq and Afghanistan continued, an insane amount of bombs were dropped on these poor countries, he constantly broke international law by drone striking in sovereign nations the US has not invaded and who did not give the US permission to do it like Pakistan. He in fact punished more whistle blowers than any president in history. Chelsea Manning is a prime example. Meanwhile he never stood firm for any leftist policy and always gave away the bargaining power to the republicans and Mitch McConnell. What improved for the common man under Obama? He started out as a hero for the people that they voted into the white house and soon as he got in, he abandoned them. That further created a mistrust of any politician by the young people and the progressives and actually hurts the movement to this day.

And as a final slap to all the people that dared to believe, what did he do after his tenure was over? Did he fight hard for any social causes? Did he start working in lobbying for the closure of Gitmo like he said he would do? No he went on insane vacations that only rich people can go on, hung out with celebrities, made expensive speeches and just behaved like a rich guy without a care in the world. Nothing that good happened for the left under Obama and nothing that good happened under Clinton as well.

The point of this is not to just hate on Obama but I'm using this as an example to show you what a Biden presidency will be like. Clinton, bush, and Obama were all slow poisoning and Biden will continue that trend. And hell Biden will just be a figurehead while the neoliberals and neocons control everything because I don't think Biden will have enough brain capacity left to argue with them or even try to help the people if he wanted to. They are using this man to maintain power. They don't care about beating Trump. They'll be happy once Sanders is out either way. And they'll be happy to discard Biden if he gets too sick. Probably have an even bigger yes-man or yes-woman lined up as VP.

Congress, the Senate and local and state governments can change if we vote in progressives but Biden winning isn't a victory for progressives in any way. It's just buying more time to make something happen. And even that is a maybe because climate change is approaching a critical level and I don't think Biden will do anything significant to mitigate the effects or change course. We have 10 years. 4 of them will be wasted on Biden and Trump might actually shrink our timeline. All countries have made stupid decisions. I mean Boris Johnson, Modhi, Bolsanaro, Netenyahu are all stupid mistakes by the electorates of their countries but when the Americans make a stupid mistake, the entire world has to suffer the consequences. More so than the stupid decision of any other nation, except maybe China. I'm not able to vote anyways but I'm warning people to get ready for reality to hit hard. Biden is centre right right now and was even more right in the past. He's not gonna be helping the left in any significant way.

If you truly believe all of this stuff you are saying, you don't really have any room to criticize Trump, and you certainly have no room to complain about anything he does over the next four years. Complain all you want about Obama, but none of this actually provides any implication that we will be better off with four years of Trump than we would be with four years of Biden. Further, discouraging people from voting actively works against the plan to instill progressive in local government. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is going to keep people home, and the progressives may be group who is hurt the most down ballot from that terrible decision.

And do you honestly believe any progressive policies are going to be able to stand if there is a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Good luck with that one, because we aren't getting anything done for decades...



Dulfite on 13 March 2020
sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

Hahahahaha you're assuming that everything Biden says is in good faith and he won't turn around and do all the nonsense he's always done. Remember Obama campaigned further left than Biden did. The result? He couldn't even close Gitmo. All the decades of neoliberalism and neoconservatism also brought Trump to power and Obama helped in that. How much did democrats loose under Obama again? Some 1500 seats or so I believe. The one crowning achievement that he has that was actually the work of many nations putting their heads together and not all Obama's brilliance was the Iran nuclear deal and Trump tore through that like it was nothing. Obamacare was like putting a Band-Aid on a stab wound, he bailed out all the rich corporations in 2008 and left all the common working people high and dry, what actual wage increase did most people see in his time? What did he do to make education better and more affordable? What  did he do about infrastructure? And let's all remember which side he was on during occupy Wall Street. 

And did the war mongering stop? Nope! In fact news places for war started, Lebanon and Syria. Meanwhile Iraq and Afghanistan continued, an insane amount of bombs were dropped on these poor countries, he constantly broke international law by drone striking in sovereign nations the US has not invaded and who did not give the US permission to do it like Pakistan. He in fact punished more whistle blowers than any president in history. Chelsea Manning is a prime example. Meanwhile he never stood firm for any leftist policy and always gave away the bargaining power to the republicans and Mitch McConnell. What improved for the common man under Obama? He started out as a hero for the people that they voted into the white house and soon as he got in, he abandoned them. That further created a mistrust of any politician by the young people and the progressives and actually hurts the movement to this day.

And as a final slap to all the people that dared to believe, what did he do after his tenure was over? Did he fight hard for any social causes? Did he start working in lobbying for the closure of Gitmo like he said he would do? No he went on insane vacations that only rich people can go on, hung out with celebrities, made expensive speeches and just behaved like a rich guy without a care in the world. Nothing that good happened for the left under Obama and nothing that good happened under Clinton as well.

The point of this is not to just hate on Obama but I'm using this as an example to show you what a Biden presidency will be like. Clinton, bush, and Obama were all slow poisoning and Biden will continue that trend. And hell Biden will just be a figurehead while the neoliberals and neocons control everything because I don't think Biden will have enough brain capacity left to argue with them or even try to help the people if he wanted to. They are using this man to maintain power. They don't care about beating Trump. They'll be happy once Sanders is out either way. And they'll be happy to discard Biden if he gets too sick. Probably have an even bigger yes-man or yes-woman lined up as VP.

Congress, the Senate and local and state governments can change if we vote in progressives but Biden winning isn't a victory for progressives in any way. It's just buying more time to make something happen. And even that is a maybe because climate change is approaching a critical level and I don't think Biden will do anything significant to mitigate the effects or change course. We have 10 years. 4 of them will be wasted on Biden and Trump might actually shrink our timeline. All countries have made stupid decisions. I mean Boris Johnson, Modhi, Bolsanaro, Netenyahu are all stupid mistakes by the electorates of their countries but when the Americans make a stupid mistake, the entire world has to suffer the consequences. More so than the stupid decision of any other nation, except maybe China. I'm not able to vote anyways but I'm warning people to get ready for reality to hit hard. Biden is centre right right now and was even more right in the past. He's not gonna be helping the left in any significant way.

If you truly believe all of this stuff you are saying, you don't really have any room to criticize Trump, and you certainly have no room to complain about anything he does over the next four years. Complain all you want about Obama, but none of this actually provides any implication that we will be better off with four years of Trump than we would be with four years of Biden. Further, discouraging people from voting actively works against the plan to instill progressive in local government. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is going to keep people home, and the progressives may be group who is hurt the most down ballot from that terrible decision.

And do you honestly believe any progressive policies are going to be able to stand if there is a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Good luck with that one, because we aren't getting anything done for decades...

He will probably respond with some threat to stack the court once a progressive wins the presidency to undo damage by Trump. But no way will the Senate allow that. They didn't allow FDR to do it, despite being arguably the most powerful president ever. They certainly won't do it for a socialist. Even if Democrats control the Senate, there is no way the moderate democrats will vote for that as it would cost them their seats and ensure Republican domination of the Senate for years, perhaps decades before those swing States would trust them again.

I also just became aware of a trending hashtag today, #NeverBiden, which reminds me slot of the nevertrumpers movement. I believe I read only 2-4 out of 5-10 (can't remember the numbers exactly) Bernie fans polled said they would come out to vote for Biden in the general election due to feeling margonalized by the party. That is a TON of people if true, a lot more than the 2 million or so nevertrumpers who voted libertarian/other in 2016.



sundin13 on 14 March 2020
Dulfite said:

He will probably respond with some threat to stack the court once a progressive wins the presidency to undo damage by Trump. But no way will the Senate allow that. They didn't allow FDR to do it, despite being arguably the most powerful president ever. They certainly won't do it for a socialist. Even if Democrats control the Senate, there is no way the moderate democrats will vote for that as it would cost them their seats and ensure Republican domination of the Senate for years, perhaps decades before those swing States would trust them again.

I also just became aware of a trending hashtag today, #NeverBiden, which reminds me slot of the nevertrumpers movement. I believe I read only 2-4 out of 5-10 (can't remember the numbers exactly) Bernie fans polled said they would come out to vote for Biden in the general election due to feeling margonalized by the party. That is a TON of people if true, a lot more than the 2 million or so nevertrumpers who voted libertarian/other in 2016.

Yeah, I saw 2/5 saying that they would support whoever the Dem nominee is. I'm sure things will change to some extent, but I mean this is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. While the Never Trump stuff was a thing, the party soon became the party of Trump and virtually everybody is now on board. Democrats have a tendency of eating their own. Candidate too progressive? Not going to vote. Candidate not progressive enough? Not going to vote. Meanwhile, the Republicans will keep winning because we are playing Goldilocks with our candidates waiting for one which is juuuuuust right, while they run away with the country.

While I respect the ability for Democrats to hold themselves accountable, there needs to be a point where we band together and show that the Republicans simply don't have the support in much of the country if we actually vote. Turn the younger generations into an "Always vote" block like the older generations and the country will move to the left...



Eagle367 on 14 March 2020
sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

Hahahahaha you're assuming that everything Biden says is in good faith and he won't turn around and do all the nonsense he's always done. Remember Obama campaigned further left than Biden did. The result? He couldn't even close Gitmo. All the decades of neoliberalism and neoconservatism also brought Trump to power and Obama helped in that. How much did democrats loose under Obama again? Some 1500 seats or so I believe. The one crowning achievement that he has that was actually the work of many nations putting their heads together and not all Obama's brilliance was the Iran nuclear deal and Trump tore through that like it was nothing. Obamacare was like putting a Band-Aid on a stab wound, he bailed out all the rich corporations in 2008 and left all the common working people high and dry, what actual wage increase did most people see in his time? What did he do to make education better and more affordable? What  did he do about infrastructure? And let's all remember which side he was on during occupy Wall Street. 

And did the war mongering stop? Nope! In fact news places for war started, Lebanon and Syria. Meanwhile Iraq and Afghanistan continued, an insane amount of bombs were dropped on these poor countries, he constantly broke international law by drone striking in sovereign nations the US has not invaded and who did not give the US permission to do it like Pakistan. He in fact punished more whistle blowers than any president in history. Chelsea Manning is a prime example. Meanwhile he never stood firm for any leftist policy and always gave away the bargaining power to the republicans and Mitch McConnell. What improved for the common man under Obama? He started out as a hero for the people that they voted into the white house and soon as he got in, he abandoned them. That further created a mistrust of any politician by the young people and the progressives and actually hurts the movement to this day.

And as a final slap to all the people that dared to believe, what did he do after his tenure was over? Did he fight hard for any social causes? Did he start working in lobbying for the closure of Gitmo like he said he would do? No he went on insane vacations that only rich people can go on, hung out with celebrities, made expensive speeches and just behaved like a rich guy without a care in the world. Nothing that good happened for the left under Obama and nothing that good happened under Clinton as well.

The point of this is not to just hate on Obama but I'm using this as an example to show you what a Biden presidency will be like. Clinton, bush, and Obama were all slow poisoning and Biden will continue that trend. And hell Biden will just be a figurehead while the neoliberals and neocons control everything because I don't think Biden will have enough brain capacity left to argue with them or even try to help the people if he wanted to. They are using this man to maintain power. They don't care about beating Trump. They'll be happy once Sanders is out either way. And they'll be happy to discard Biden if he gets too sick. Probably have an even bigger yes-man or yes-woman lined up as VP.

Congress, the Senate and local and state governments can change if we vote in progressives but Biden winning isn't a victory for progressives in any way. It's just buying more time to make something happen. And even that is a maybe because climate change is approaching a critical level and I don't think Biden will do anything significant to mitigate the effects or change course. We have 10 years. 4 of them will be wasted on Biden and Trump might actually shrink our timeline. All countries have made stupid decisions. I mean Boris Johnson, Modhi, Bolsanaro, Netenyahu are all stupid mistakes by the electorates of their countries but when the Americans make a stupid mistake, the entire world has to suffer the consequences. More so than the stupid decision of any other nation, except maybe China. I'm not able to vote anyways but I'm warning people to get ready for reality to hit hard. Biden is centre right right now and was even more right in the past. He's not gonna be helping the left in any significant way.

If you truly believe all of this stuff you are saying, you don't really have any room to criticize Trump, and you certainly have no room to complain about anything he does over the next four years. Complain all you want about Obama, but none of this actually provides any implication that we will be better off with four years of Trump than we would be with four years of Biden. Further, discouraging people from voting actively works against the plan to instill progressive in local government. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is going to keep people home, and the progressives may be group who is hurt the most down ballot from that terrible decision.

And do you honestly believe any progressive policies are going to be able to stand if there is a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Good luck with that one, because we aren't getting anything done for decades...

That's not right. I have plenty of room to criticise Trump. It's not like he's even a semi decent president. In fact, he is the 2nd worst US president in my opinion after George Bush, at least in the modern era. And I'm not believing those things about Obama, I;m simply stating what happened and what he did. You can verify everything I said quite easily. And I'm not discouraging anyone from voting. Voting down ballot is very important. I will not, however, delude anyone that Biden is left somehow or will help the left in any way. He'll be better than Trump for sure but that's saying virtually nothing. And I don't believe in voting for someone you don't believe in at all. If I believed in Biden even an atom's worth, I would tell people to vote for him. 

I just believe that progressive policies won't be able to stand even with Biden's choice of judges. We haven't been getting anything for decades and the situation has worsened for the US and the world because of it. Clinton and Obama made it worse, not better and I have no doubt that Biden will do the same. It's not Bernie or bust for me but I have nothing that gives me faith in Biden. Warren instead of bernie. Sure I don't like her because of everything she has done in this race but I can believe something in. Yang player politics as well in the end but still something. I don't know what Tulsi is doing but she has something I believe in strongly. Hell even Tom Styer had some things I could believe him about. Mike Gravel is better than Bernie. None of the other major candidates have anything I can believe in. Not one bit. And I can't tell others to vote that way. Vote down ballot for sure. 



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Eagle367 on 14 March 2020
sundin13 said:
Dulfite said:

He will probably respond with some threat to stack the court once a progressive wins the presidency to undo damage by Trump. But no way will the Senate allow that. They didn't allow FDR to do it, despite being arguably the most powerful president ever. They certainly won't do it for a socialist. Even if Democrats control the Senate, there is no way the moderate democrats will vote for that as it would cost them their seats and ensure Republican domination of the Senate for years, perhaps decades before those swing States would trust them again.

I also just became aware of a trending hashtag today, #NeverBiden, which reminds me slot of the nevertrumpers movement. I believe I read only 2-4 out of 5-10 (can't remember the numbers exactly) Bernie fans polled said they would come out to vote for Biden in the general election due to feeling margonalized by the party. That is a TON of people if true, a lot more than the 2 million or so nevertrumpers who voted libertarian/other in 2016.

Yeah, I saw 2/5 saying that they would support whoever the Dem nominee is. I'm sure things will change to some extent, but I mean this is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. While the Never Trump stuff was a thing, the party soon became the party of Trump and virtually everybody is now on board. Democrats have a tendency of eating their own. Candidate too progressive? Not going to vote. Candidate not progressive enough? Not going to vote. Meanwhile, the Republicans will keep winning because we are playing Goldilocks with our candidates waiting for one which is juuuuuust right, while they run away with the country.

While I respect the ability for Democrats to hold themselves accountable, there needs to be a point where we band together and show that the Republicans simply don't have the support in much of the country if we actually vote. Turn the younger generations into an "Always vote" block like the older generations and the country will move to the left...

Democrats loose because they try to pander to a nonexistent center. Republicans win because they aren't willing to compromise. Republicans show strength while democrats come out looking weak by always trying to compromise. Trump said he would not support whoever wins and called out stuff about the republicans no one openly talks about. Bernie always starts with "my friend Joe..." And he agreed to support whichever nominee before the elections were over, basically giving the establishment free reign to screw him over. Bernie is an awesome human being who feels uncomfortable attacking even the wrong positions of his opponents and feels uncomfortable saying good things about himself but that's what you need to win. Voting to agree for whoever means you don't really believe in what you're fighting for fully. Holding the chop until the last second is the way to beat centrists. The problem is progressives have a hard time with primaries but are much stronger in the general. The so called moderates are the opposite. So progressives get primaried and so called centrists lose. Obama ran to the left and won. But Obama ran government lie anyone else so the trust has détériorated even further. And the young people don't trust either party. 



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Moren on 14 March 2020
Eagle367 said:
sundin13 said:

If you truly believe all of this stuff you are saying, you don't really have any room to criticize Trump, and you certainly have no room to complain about anything he does over the next four years. Complain all you want about Obama, but none of this actually provides any implication that we will be better off with four years of Trump than we would be with four years of Biden. Further, discouraging people from voting actively works against the plan to instill progressive in local government. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is going to keep people home, and the progressives may be group who is hurt the most down ballot from that terrible decision.

And do you honestly believe any progressive policies are going to be able to stand if there is a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Good luck with that one, because we aren't getting anything done for decades...

That's not right. I have plenty of room to criticise Trump. It's not like he's even a semi decent president. In fact, he is the 2nd worst US president in my opinion after George Bush, at least in the modern era. And I'm not believing those things about Obama, I;m simply stating what happened and what he did. You can verify everything I said quite easily. And I'm not discouraging anyone from voting. Voting down ballot is very important. I will not, however, delude anyone that Biden is left somehow or will help the left in any way. He'll be better than Trump for sure but that's saying virtually nothing. And I don't believe in voting for someone you don't believe in at all. If I believed in Biden even an atom's worth, I would tell people to vote for him. 

I just believe that progressive policies won't be able to stand even with Biden's choice of judges. We haven't been getting anything for decades and the situation has worsened for the US and the world because of it. Clinton and Obama made it worse, not better and I have no doubt that Biden will do the same. It's not Bernie or bust for me but I have nothing that gives me faith in Biden. Warren instead of bernie. Sure I don't like her because of everything she has done in this race but I can believe something in. Yang player politics as well in the end but still something. I don't know what Tulsi is doing but she has something I believe in strongly. Hell even Tom Styer had some things I could believe him about. Mike Gravel is better than Bernie. None of the other major candidates have anything I can believe in. Not one bit. And I can't tell others to vote that way. Vote down ballot for sure. 

Pretty easy to tell others how to vote / not vote, when said outcome does not affect you, concern  you, and when you have zero idea of American politics, huh?



Eagle367 on 15 March 2020
Moren said:
Eagle367 said:

That's not right. I have plenty of room to criticise Trump. It's not like he's even a semi decent president. In fact, he is the 2nd worst US president in my opinion after George Bush, at least in the modern era. And I'm not believing those things about Obama, I;m simply stating what happened and what he did. You can verify everything I said quite easily. And I'm not discouraging anyone from voting. Voting down ballot is very important. I will not, however, delude anyone that Biden is left somehow or will help the left in any way. He'll be better than Trump for sure but that's saying virtually nothing. And I don't believe in voting for someone you don't believe in at all. If I believed in Biden even an atom's worth, I would tell people to vote for him. 

I just believe that progressive policies won't be able to stand even with Biden's choice of judges. We haven't been getting anything for decades and the situation has worsened for the US and the world because of it. Clinton and Obama made it worse, not better and I have no doubt that Biden will do the same. It's not Bernie or bust for me but I have nothing that gives me faith in Biden. Warren instead of bernie. Sure I don't like her because of everything she has done in this race but I can believe something in. Yang player politics as well in the end but still something. I don't know what Tulsi is doing but she has something I believe in strongly. Hell even Tom Styer had some things I could believe him about. Mike Gravel is better than Bernie. None of the other major candidates have anything I can believe in. Not one bit. And I can't tell others to vote that way. Vote down ballot for sure. 

Pretty easy to tell others how to vote / not vote, when said outcome does not affect you, concern  you, and when you have zero idea of American politics, huh?

It does affect me, it dies concern me and I have spent a lot of time learning about the politics of different places. Hell my entire life would have been different if the right president was in charge at the right time. The so called "War on terror" actually created instability and increases the number of terrorists. It also lead to the terrorists nation hopping into my country. My entire youth was ruined because there was so much terrorism in my city. All of this nonsense started with the Americans and their shenanigans. My own government had their part in this as well. And my fellow human beings are suffering in the US and the middle east and really around the world due to the neoliberalism, neoconservatism and corporatism of the US. My entire life would have been different if people like Bernie Sanders ran the government instead of war mongers like Bush and Obama. 

And there are many children just like me who grew up in that atmosphere or are growing up in that dear and the US is one of the biggest factors in not only creating that atmosphere, but also creating the terrorist groups themselves in many cases. 

And I care about Americans and want them to actually get a better lifestyle. These 4 decades of choosing the lesser of 2 evils and always trusting Dems to make changes later when the day never comes. True pie in the sky stuff. This isn't a game to me and I come at it with full sincerity. I want the people of the world to do better and that;s why I try to keep up and support the right candidates on every country. Jagmeet Singh, Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, etc.



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sundin13 on 15 March 2020

Been watching the debate alongside the live updates from 538, and Nate Silver made a comment that I've been feeling for a while but haven't really been able to put into words:

"One of the things that people constantly get wrong about Biden, as his pivot toward embracing Warren’s bankruptcy bill shows, is that he’s not really a centrist — instead he’s more of a “generic Democrat” who basically holds the positions that the median Democratic legislator has."

A lot of people seem to worry about Biden's stances from years ago as if they will be predictive of the future. I don't think that is fair, because Biden has shown a propensity to adapt when the winds of change blow in the party. This is why we are seeing his platform shifting so far to the left. The party has moved in that direction. Further, that is why it is so important to not fall into a nihilistic stupor regarding politics if Biden becomes the nominee. If we demonstrate that the party has shifted, I believe Joe Biden will follow suit.

Vote for Joe! #JOEMENTUM



Eagle367 on 15 March 2020
sundin13 said:
Been watching the debate alongside the live updates from 538, and Nate Silver made a comment that I've been feeling for a while but haven't really been able to put into words:

"One of the things that people constantly get wrong about Biden, as his pivot toward embracing Warren’s bankruptcy bill shows, is that he’s not really a centrist — instead he’s more of a “generic Democrat” who basically holds the positions that the median Democratic legislator has."

A lot of people seem to worry about Biden's stances from years ago as if they will be predictive of the future. I don't think that is fair, because Biden has shown a propensity to adapt when the winds of change blow in the party. This is why we are seeing his platform shifting so far to the left. The party has moved in that direction. Further, that is why it is so important to not fall into a nihilistic stupor regarding politics if Biden becomes the nominee. If we demonstrate that the party has shifted, I believe Joe Biden will follow suit.

Vote for Joe! #JOEMENTUM

Biden has lied like Obama lied when he was running. Can't trust these people. Obama ran as a progressive and didn't lead the country that way. Biden will be far more right if he becomes president.



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