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Moren on 14 March 2020
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Eagle367 said:
sundin13 said:

If you truly believe all of this stuff you are saying, you don't really have any room to criticize Trump, and you certainly have no room to complain about anything he does over the next four years. Complain all you want about Obama, but none of this actually provides any implication that we will be better off with four years of Trump than we would be with four years of Biden. Further, discouraging people from voting actively works against the plan to instill progressive in local government. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is going to keep people home, and the progressives may be group who is hurt the most down ballot from that terrible decision.

And do you honestly believe any progressive policies are going to be able to stand if there is a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Good luck with that one, because we aren't getting anything done for decades...

That's not right. I have plenty of room to criticise Trump. It's not like he's even a semi decent president. In fact, he is the 2nd worst US president in my opinion after George Bush, at least in the modern era. And I'm not believing those things about Obama, I;m simply stating what happened and what he did. You can verify everything I said quite easily. And I'm not discouraging anyone from voting. Voting down ballot is very important. I will not, however, delude anyone that Biden is left somehow or will help the left in any way. He'll be better than Trump for sure but that's saying virtually nothing. And I don't believe in voting for someone you don't believe in at all. If I believed in Biden even an atom's worth, I would tell people to vote for him. 

I just believe that progressive policies won't be able to stand even with Biden's choice of judges. We haven't been getting anything for decades and the situation has worsened for the US and the world because of it. Clinton and Obama made it worse, not better and I have no doubt that Biden will do the same. It's not Bernie or bust for me but I have nothing that gives me faith in Biden. Warren instead of bernie. Sure I don't like her because of everything she has done in this race but I can believe something in. Yang player politics as well in the end but still something. I don't know what Tulsi is doing but she has something I believe in strongly. Hell even Tom Styer had some things I could believe him about. Mike Gravel is better than Bernie. None of the other major candidates have anything I can believe in. Not one bit. And I can't tell others to vote that way. Vote down ballot for sure. 

Pretty easy to tell others how to vote / not vote, when said outcome does not affect you, concern  you, and when you have zero idea of American politics, huh?