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Nighthawk117 said:
SvennoJ said:

Thanks for the laugh :)

Trump tried that and then China accidentally unleashed a virus on the world, remember ;)

Hmmm, in that case, maybe it was deliberate on their part.

Sure, they enjoyed the import levies so much, they figured, why not destroy the world economy so we don't have to worry about any imports and exports anymore!



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SvennoJ said:
Nighthawk117 said:

Hmmm, in that case, maybe it was deliberate on their part.

Sure, they enjoyed the import levies so much, they figured, why not destroy the world economy so we don't have to worry about any imports and exports anymore!

Actually, Trump imposed tariffs on them. I'm talking about economic sanctions along the lines of the ones imposed on Iran.



End the mandatory lockdown. Now that the NHS capacity has increased capacity with the Nightingale hospitals it’s time the responsibility for people’s health was put into their own hands and if they wish to continue to self isolate then they can do so and those who want to get back to normality should be free to. The fact is that the average age of people dying with COVID-19 in the UK is higher than the average life expectancy and it hasn’t materialised as the once in a century event we thought it might be at the beginning. The economic damage from the ongoing lockdown has the potential to kill many more people than COVID-19 ever could



Some good news to offset the racism, sexism, warmongering and letting the old people die for the sake of the economy.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/early-results-from-moderna-vaccine-trial-show-participants-developed-antibodies-against-coronavirus-1.4943881

Study subjects who received Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine had positive early results, according to the biotech company, which partnered with the National Institutes of Health to develop the vaccine. If future studies go well, the company's vaccine could be available to the public as early as January, Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna's chief medical officer, told CNN.

Moderna has vaccinated dozens of study participants and measured antibodies in eight of them. All eight developed neutralizing antibodies to the virus at levels reaching or exceeding the levels seen in people who've naturally recovered from COVID-19, according to the company. Neutralizing antibodies bind to the virus, disabling it from attacking human cells.

"We've demonstrated that these antibodies, this immune response, can actually block the virus," Zaks said. "I think this is a very important first step in our journey towards having a vaccine."


It's a phase 1 small trial, notyet  peer reviewed, lots of work left to be done. However nobody died while (some) developed anti bodies. Good result.

While the vaccine had promising results in the lab, it's not known if it will protect people in the real world. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has cleared the company to begin Phase 2 trials, which typically involve several hundred of people, and Moderna plans to start large-scale clinical trials, known as Phase 3 trials, in July, which typically involve tens of thousands of people.


Atm 8 developers are doing clinical trials on vaccine candidate

In the Moderna study, three participants developed fever and other flu-like symptoms when they received the vaccine at a dose of 250 micrograms. Moderna anticipates the Phase 3 study on dosage will be between 25 and 100 micrograms. So far, the Moderna study subjects who were vaccinated even at 25 and 100 micrograms achieved antibody levels similar to or even higher than people who naturally became infected with coronavirus.

But it's not clear whether natural infection confers immunity to re-infection, and so similarly it's not clear whether vaccination confers immunity. "That's a good question, and the truth is, we don't know that yet," Zaks said. "We are going to have to conduct formal efficacy trials where you vaccinate many, many people, and then you monitor them in the ensuing months to make sure they don't get sick."



And some conflicting news


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19

“So far we haven’t heard anything negative about the reopening of schools but it is probably too early to have final conclusions on that.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/70-cases-covid-19-french-schools-days-opening-70740749

Just one week after a third of French children went back to school in an easing of the coronavirus lockdown, there’s been a worrying flareup of about 70 COVID-19 cases linked to schools



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man-bear-pig said:
End the mandatory lockdown. Now that the NHS capacity has increased capacity with the Nightingale hospitals it’s time the responsibility for people’s health was put into their own hands and if they wish to continue to self isolate then they can do so and those who want to get back to normality should be free to. The fact is that the average age of people dying with COVID-19 in the UK is higher than the average life expectancy and it hasn’t materialised as the once in a century event we thought it might be at the beginning. The economic damage from the ongoing lockdown has the potential to kill many more people than COVID-19 ever could

UK is one of the worst when it comes to honest reporting of covid19 related deaths.

UK currently has near 60,000 excess deaths, since this whole Covid19 thing started.
Meanwhile its reported only ~35,000.

~60,000 more people than normal these last few months have died in the UK.

I doubt the economic damage will kill more than that in a few months in the UK.


"The fact is that the average age of people dying with COVID-19 in the UK is higher than the average life expectancy" - manbearpig

Yes 85% of deaths in the UK to covid19 are over 65 years old.
That still means ~15% were under 65.

I guess that means we should just "let" these people die, because they already had their turn/chance to live, time to die for the economy am I right?



"....it hasn’t materialised as the once in a century event we thought it might be at the beginning." - manbearpig


Deaths due to COVID-19 accounted for over a third of all deaths in England (currently).

source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinapril2020


Something thats currently killing every 3rd person thats dieing, is "something that hasnt materialised" thus its time to get on with life?
Also note this with them just counting upto ~35,000, when the real number is probably closer to 60,000.

" it’s time the responsibility for people’s health was put into their own hands and if they wish to continue to self isolate then they can do so and those who want to get back to normality should be free to. "  - manbearpig

It takes 1 fool to bring down 1000's.
And lets be honest theres always going to be that 1 nut case, that ll ruin it for others.
Which is why you cant assume people will all just act responsibly.
Thats why they shut down, they know that action works, while doing otherwise doesnt.

UK still has too many new daily cases to just "go back to normal".
Even if it was just "50 new daily cases" pr day, the UK would still need some form of social distanceing in place to stop it from flareing up again.
Otherwise you risk a repeat (ei. a new shutdown) after a mass spread happends again.
(same is true for other nations as well)

The quickest route to getting economy up and running again, is to firmly suppress the virus.
UK isnt there yet.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 18 May 2020

Nighthawk117 said:
dane007 said:

Yea but if the investigations come out that the virus is man made in the wuhan lab which was funded constantly by US. Wouldn't US get the blame as well. Why would they fund it? 

Exactly how much money went from the US government to the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

According to online sources, it was minimum 600k. 



Nighthawk117 said:
There won't be a war between China and the US. What is needed is economic sanctions on China.

Man, if we would put sanctions on every country for lying about stuff and for doing stuff which kills a lot of people, the USA would be more broke than Venezuela already. Just imagine how the USA would look if they would be sanctioned for all their lies regarding the Iraq. 

Damn, it would look ugly for the USA. 

Or if the USA would be sanctioned for a president blackmailing pretty much every other country on this planet to do what he wants or to feel the consequences. Hey Mr. Trump I'm talking about you. 



dane007 said:
Nighthawk117 said:

Exactly how much money went from the US government to the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

According to online sources, it was minimum 600k. 

I found this:

"Also, only about 10% of the grant — about $76,000 per year — was slated for the Wuhan Institute. This was provided in recognition that the Wuhan lab was doing the bulk of the on-the-ground sample collection and analysis, says EcoHealth Alliance's Daszak.

Daszak says the China bat sampling project has already racked up quite a number of successes. The team and its collaborators at the Wuhan Institute of Virology have collected about 15,000 samples from bats. From these they have already identified about 400 wholly new coronaviruses. About 50 of those fall into a category that caused the 2002 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, and, now, the COVID-19 pandemic."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru



crissindahouse said:
Nighthawk117 said:
There won't be a war between China and the US. What is needed is economic sanctions on China.

Man, if we would put sanctions on every country for lying about stuff and for doing stuff which kills a lot of people, the USA would be more broke than Venezuela already. Just imagine how the USA would look if they would be sanctioned for all their lies regarding the Iraq. 

Damn, it would look ugly for the USA. 

Or if the USA would be sanctioned for a president blackmailing pretty much every other country on this planet to do what he wants or to feel the consequences. Hey Mr. Trump I'm talking about you. 

What if the US had a president who could form a global coalition of countries that all agreed to enact stringent sanctions on China?