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LurkerJ said:
I gotta say, many posts here discussing the USA number have an almost celebratory tone to them.

You complain about people pointing out high death toll numbers of USA then you praise Sweden.  The reason why we have high death toll is because our population is severely sick.  We have massive amounts of people with underlying health conditions.  Our numbers would be double if there wasn't any lockdown and followed Sweden.  Sweden's population is far healthier than ours (you better be from USA if not you can just stop your bitching).

I want you to picture in your mind the average trump supporter before you congratulate all those people protesting lockdown measures.  The average trump supporter is old, overweight and has underlying health conditions. 

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You know what i would like in the U.S as a none American citizen?
That people more actively care about the health system instead of going on dumb protest over a timely loss of freedom for Covid protection,you have valid things to protest about so please go do that.



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LurkerJ said:

Bold: I really don't, because I don't claim moral superiority and I am not interested in issuing purity tests and drawing lines to define who's moral and who's not, and that's been my point from the very beginning, just because you've done good deeds (and you seem to have done a lot of them), you still don't get to draw lines and categorize people into good and bad based on how they want to appraoch the current crisis. 

The radical shift on how people live these have had serious OBJECTIVE consequences on mental, physical health, ecomony, education, etc. Following either the Chinese model or the Swedish model is going to have trade-offs, whichever one you choose, you are not an asshole for acknowleding the trade-offs or believing "lives taken by COVID19" isn't the only metric that should drive policy making.

I am of the personal belief that anyone who is willing to give up their life to save others gets to take a degree of moral superiority.
Be it Military, Police Officers or the like. - They have proven they are moral.

Either way, I can and will judge other peoples moralities, I will judge the good and bad deeds someone has done and I will draw "lines" so to speak, religion has been doing it for thousands of years... And so will I.
You should be aware of what I am like as a user, I don't mince words to save face, I don't care, I will say how I think it is.

So if someone is willing to place the economy over life, I will judge them for it and I will judge them harshly for it... And I am of the belief that they lack empathy and morality because of it, money is a material object, life is not, life is far more valuable.

Someones health, education and so forth doesn't need to be forfeit due to lock down measures, I am doing a diploma with lectures given to me on a weekly basis, digitally, my education hasn't halted.
Teachers are teaching their students over the internet.

Businesses are operating over the internet, taking orders, doing deliveries, they changed their business models... For example my local movie theater shut down, so the owners started to deliver DVD/Blu-Ray movies with popcorn, drinks and chocolate and other stuff and are turning a profit.

Is it an ideal situation? Hell no. But neither are hundreds of thousands of people including children and babies that end up dead... And some of the people that survive the disease may have to endure with life-long health implications that may impact their ability to contribute to the economy and self life achievements and become a burden on the health care system.

Either way... YOU said that me being "charitable" isn't an achievement because we live in the "first world". - And told me to question the extent I go out of my way to assist others because people in the world are still starving to death... You even went out of your way to assert that I don't do enough.

So with the list I provided prior... Am I doing enough? Or are you just trying to save face now?

Here is the list again:

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* I donate to charities to feed the homeless and poor.
* I cut people out of vehicles that have been in a vehicle accident.
* I scale down 200 feet high cliffs to rescue people from the bottom.
* I run into the burning building to pull a parents trapped child out while everyone else is trying to escape.
* I stand between towns and cities and raging bushfires.
* I venture out to sea to pluck people out of the Ocean after their boats have sank.
* I respond to toxic spills/leaks in Hazmat that could silently kill allot of people.
* I will jump into a small blow-up boat and travel down swift water rivers to rescue people.
* I dangle from a rope at the end of a helicopter to rescue people stuck in flood waters.
* I crawl in confined/restricted spaces with compromised atmospheres to rescue animals and stuck people.
* I dig through collapsed rubble/buildings to pull people out after a building collapse/earth quake.

I even respond to incidents involving the Coronavirus... Last week, I responded to a child who was stuck underneath a train.

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LurkerJ said:

Nope, my premise is that people who take into considerations the downsides of lockdows and believe that there should be more to policy making than just "preventing death by this one communicable disease" aren't assholes, and they have a point, and they should be given the benefit of the doubt. And that those who draw lines to define morality using the "COVID19 deaths" stick should spare us because it's hypocritical to pick that one crisis that they happen to care about, and ignore the rest of the crises that have plagued that modern word for decades. 

That's a false equivalency. You don't know what people do in their private or professional lives to assert that they do nothing in other "crises".

Don't be selfish. Just stay at home... Protect your self, your friends, your family and those who are vulnerable.




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Ka-pi96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Like I said, people dying while being positive doesn't mean Covid killed them.

Given the demographic breakdown of CV deaths, do you think this 5yr old died of Covid of the underlying health condition?

As of 16th April, 91% of UK covid deaths had other health conditions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52308783

So are you going to argue that covid has barely killed anybody because of that? I can assure you that deaths over the past few months would have been significantly lower without covid, so covid is undoubtedly causing those deaths, regardless of other health conditions. The vast majority of those people wouldn't normally have died.

Yep that's totally what I'm going to argue and I'm 100% definitely not arguing that kids with leukemia, suicide victims and people who died in a car crash who tested positive for covid didn't die of covid.

I'm also definitely not saying that people claiming to "think of the children" are cowards hiding behind terminally ill kids.



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Where is this myth that Sweden is doing better even coming from? It's completely false. Not only is the infection and death rate higher than in comparable countries, the economy is suffering just as much.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ki-sanker-bnp-prognos-ytterligare

Some parts of the article using Google translator:

"The rapidly changing situation has led the National Institute of Economic Research to make a completely new forecast of the economic situation, just weeks after the earlier forecast. The situation is now significantly different. Instead of a GDP loss of around 3 percent, the government sees a 7 percent decline for the entire year.

It also looks bleak for unemployment. It is expected to be 11 percent next year. And that is thanks to the support measures introduced.

He calls the development we now see a historic loss worse than during the financial crisis. This is the biggest decline in a single year since the 50s.

He says that the development has been extremely fast and the negative effects are hitting the Swedish and global economy harder than predicted just a few weeks ago.

Unemployment is expected to rise to 11.0 per cent next year from a previous forecast of 8.9 per cent. For this year, the figure is revised up from 8.7 to 10.2 percent.

In an even worse scenario, Swedish GDP collapses by 10 percent this year and unemployment rises to about 12 percent this year and 14 percent next year."



I'd be really careful comparing the strategies of smaller and more isolated countries to anyone else. What works in one country doesn't work in every country.
Sweden is a sparsely populated country on a peninsula bordering other sparsely populated countries. Meaning they are playing on easy mode from the start. You can see the bad affects their policy is having in the more densely populated cities. Other than that their geography and demography is doing most of the heavy lifting for them.

Same goes for small islands with low populations. It's great that Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand are having such a great success, but they too were playing on easy mode from the beginning. Islands are easy to close and lower populations are easier to track and isolate.
You can see that same effect in the US. General consensus is that they're doing a terrible job at everything, yet their sparsely populated states in the midwest and their islands are barely affected.

What I'm saying is that Sweden shouldn't be a model for anyone. In general.



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