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Pemalite said:
You really want a list of what I do for other people? Fine then. |
Bold: I really don't, because I don't claim moral superiority and I am not interested in issuing purity tests and drawing lines to define who's moral and who's not, and that's been my point from the very beginning, just because you've done good deeds (and you seem to have done a lot of them), you still don't get to draw lines and categorize people into good and bad based on how they want to appraoch the current crisis.
The radical shift on how people live these have had serious OBJECTIVE consequences on mental, physical health, ecomony, education, etc. Following either the Chinese model or the Swedish model is going to have trade-offs, whichever one you choose, you are not an asshole for acknowleding the trade-offs or believing "lives taken by COVID19" isn't the only metric that should drive policy making.
| Trumpstyle said: I always believe in everything I say, sometimes I might add some humor into my posts. As to why we doing unbelievable good is because we beating all the math models, the most famous one is the imperial college London, the dude behind this is Neil Ferguson who recently said in a interview on youtube channel Unherd that our daily dead is just gonna keep increasing and we won't achieve herd immunity. We are beating him. Another famous math model is at the site healthdata.org which says our daily dead is gonna increase to ~500 in late may. And we gonna need 4000+ ICU beds, we currently using ~400 and it's going down. Than we have the 22 famous scientists that went public against us here in Sweden, one of them retweeted another math model that about 90k swedes is gonna die, we won't even be close to reaching this number. And one them also made a math model which said we gonna need 2000 ICU beds in Stockholm in May and 5000 ICU beds in June, ofc they never mentioned this. It's actually from them I got all the previous links on Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke, about 90-95% will barely notice anything from this virus and Johan giesecke criticizing other countries and other countries should do as we doing. You should note they have gotten everything wrong, but they don't mention this. I don't see what Donald Trump has do to with anything. |
Good on Sweden for beating expectations and embarassing the experts and showing the world that there is always a place for skepticism. Stockholm is a densely populated city so those numbers are truly impressive compared to what the models predicted.
It will be interesting to continue following their numbers as other countries start to open up and experience a second wave while numbers continue to fall in Sweden.
SpokenTruth said:
Lurker J's entire premise is that because we don't put all our time, energy and money into helping Africa (and I hope he means southeast Asia and Latin America too) on the same scale we have for SARS-CoV-2 that we're all hypocritical assholes. But like I told him, that's a topic for a different thread which he apparently doesn't have the interest in starting but doesn't mind using it for gotcha points in here. |
Nope, my premise is that people who take into considerations the downsides of lockdowns and believe that there should be more to policy making than just "preventing death by this one communicable disease" aren't assholes, and they have a point, and they should be given the benefit of the doubt. And that those who draw lines to define morality using the "COVID19 deaths" stick should spare us because it's hypocritical to pick that one crisis that they happen to care about, and ignore the rest of the crises that have plagued that modern word for decades.
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