Nautilus said:
There is something inherently funny by being called a moron by someone who thinks they know better(If you call someone a moron, it surely means you know better, to be able to identify the other person as a moron), when the person suffering the accusation is merely trying to have a healthy discussion of how things got to this point, and how both sides have reacted the way they did, and not even claiming that only one side is in the wrong here.
Ironically, the way you answered is the very reason of why things got to the point they are now(and something I talked about with the other user): There is no discussion. There are no debates. People don't discuss how to improve the situation and how to understand each other better. It's a poop-tossing contest.It feels like rooting for one team or the other in a football match. You can't even acnowledge the mistakes of your preferred side, such as the terrorists acts of Black Lives Matter, and just brushes them under the carpet. Being a victim of inflicted conflict? What kind of excuse is that? So it means that if someone punches me in the face I have the right to shoot them in the face? The idea that the law is for everyone is to make a place that is as fair to everyone as possible. There will always be exceptions that dosen't fit into these laws, but they are also treated differently, and they are few and far betwenn.
Giving such a leeway to a group of terrorists like that, mostly ignoring it's negatives and only focusing on it's positives(if there are any), is as bad as the other group you are refering. You end up being as bad as those people that you think that tried to make a coup. They are a bunch of idiots too, that in their frustration tried to storm that place in some form of protest, and the police responded in an appropriate way.These idiots didn't want to do a coup, they probably just went to vent their frustration in the most retarded way. Hell, as far as I know, those guys were barely armed, if at all. The police even went and killed one of the protestors, and if you wanna know my opinion, that woman probably had it comming, considering the severity of what they did(Not that I want people to die).
But not trying to understand what motivated them to do that, just as not trying to understand what makes Black Lives Matter or Antifa do the horrible things they do, will lead to this again: Protestors killing people on the streets. People defending black people rights killing other black people, idiots storming the Congress over something they think it may or may not have happened. You will bottle up people emotions and frustrations, and that energy just dosen't go away. Eventually the pressure will be too high for them to keep contained, and it will explode. Much, much worse than it did today.
It's not my country, but looking at your profile, it seems that it is yours. So the one that's going to get fucked up when this all goes truly to shit will be you, not me. So start resolving the issues, not brushing them off.
Get Over Yourself.
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Take this step by step. What is being discussed here? The integrity of the vote ballots. What has been thoroughly scrutinized and certified? The integrity of the vote ballots. Therefore; this is a completely wrongful assertion. The debate was being had, in fact that's the entire reason why the Capitol was stormed. Not because of a lack of debate but because it was obvious which way the wind was blowing. Congress was literally discussing the ballots, that's why Capitol Hill had the insurrection in the first place. So how can you say this with a straight face? There's nothing more to say and that's why it's dangerous when usefully ignorant people try to make this claim that at the 11th hour we "just need to talk about it more you guys! Come on, why won't you just discuss these things?". The discussion, ironically, is what was literally trying to be forcefully stopped by Trumpites. So to turn around and make this about Black Lives Matter makes no sense. Black Lives Matter never tried to end democracy as we know it by going into the most imporant building in the United States and hijacking it. And whether there are fringe actors or not, there weren't thousands of them partaking in an event this catastrophic. At the very least, Black Lives Matter has almost always (and I say that because I'm sure there's going to be somewhere in a reply some equivocating that #cancelling someone is the equivalent of storming the Capitol) been about opening up a discussion; it's literally their agenda. This was the antithesis of that.
I especially can't get over the irony of your analogy with a guy punching you and you retaliating by shooting them in the face, when the entire reason Black Lives Matter exists is because even the most minor offense imaginable, like a black person looking at someone funny, could result in them being fatally shot instantly for it.
I don't ignore the consequences of Black Lives Matter, either. That's a poor assumption to make and an example of you using the very tribalism you don't like to try to pin me down as an ignorant leftist: Because I dared to point out how stupid the comparison was, you just assumed I look the other way when a leftist does something bad. That's not just wrong, but the very line of thinking that drew you to that conclusion makes you a hypocrite. However the reality is that Black Lives Matter is a convenient boogeyman, and that the actual statistics don't align with what you're saying. There's been more deaths associated with political unrest linked to Black Lives Matter than there was with this insurrection, but that's just because there were more events, those events were in huge crowded places, and the victims weren't congressmen who were taking a shelter in place.
In actuality, out of about 25 deaths relate to political unrest in 2020, only one (I might have missed one or two because there is such extensive annoations) was actually linked to a leftist killing a conservative. And even then, that was a member of Antifa, not Black Lives Matter. About 14 of those 25 deaths were just tangentially related and not actually part of the protests. Most of those cases were of BLM protesters being killed themselves. One of those cases was of a homeless man with mental issues killing a protester. Looking at that list, only one or two people could even be considered conservative. So when you talk about how Black Lives Matter are terrorists and imply that they are killing people in the streets, you are dead wrong. The insurrectionists might not have killed anyone, but again, that's because their targets were congressmen who were in an active shelter in place. The fact of the matter is that Black Lives Matter has not caused nearly as much strain on this country as this sole event from Trump supporters; despite being the convenient excuse people want to use when they want leftists and the "politically correct" to look bad. There were thousands of people acting like lunatics, traitors and insurrectionists who wanted to stop democracy, whereas at most you could point to a few BLM protesters who do despicable things. If you want me to appease you and act like both sides are equally bad; I won't, because I care about the truth. I'm sure you're going to try to find some really hard to verify bloated numbers that probably jumble in every political event in the entire year as being the fault of BLM protesters; so I'll save you the effort and say don't bother.
And no, I don't "think" I know better. I know I do. You aren't trying to have a healthy discussion, you are trying to make equal two things that are not equal. It's dangerous and it shouldn't be tolerated.
Cobretti2 said:
Mate I have lived in a third world country I know what a coup is and fear used to control the people.
I never once said the people who went in there should be ignored and not be punished. From an outside perspective and someone who has lived through far worst, it is a joke to call it a coup. The problem is America's ideology hasn't evolved with the rest of the developing world and events like this are seen as a threat rather than why are these people angry. This goes for both sides. As an outsider (once again lol), all I see is internal conflict that has turned into pure hate for each other if you are on the other side of the fence.
Everyone needs to step back and look at how the media and politicians have acted over the last 4 years on both sides and start to realise they want you to be divided, they are playing you all with fear and uncertainty. They don't want people thinking more centrally because it will be a threat to their jobs if you start voting in politicians who sit in the middle instead of the extremes.
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It doesn't matter that you lived in a third world country; that is semantical (and honestly not a very productive term to begin with, if we're being honest). The opinion of one person doesn't become right because of a background he claims to have. The fact is that a lot of developing countries or countries which aren't considered in the same economic bracket as countries like the United States (which is how I assume you are using the term "third world") are reporting on this as a coup. People who live in these countries are treating it like a coup. Correspondents are literally acting like it was a coup attempt.
https://twitter.com/ruedareport/status/1346965780269699075?s=20
Suddenly it becomes a lot less impressive that the opinion of one guy is as such despite having lived in a third world country (again really unproductive term but I'm just using your terminology, wouldn't call Colombia a third world country but it's an example of a country that's not considered in the U.S.'s bracket of stability). And to be clear I'm not linking this to fetishize the opinion of one correspondent, because I would get the irony in doing that after saying what I just did. I'm doing it to show a fact; even countries that are considered to have less political stability than the U.S. have done better in comparison. When you have arguably the most important people in our country's political infrastructure fearing for their lives because of a group of radicals, it is no longer just "people showing their frustration". And by minimizing how serious this is, you just enable them.
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