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SuperRetroTurbo said:
ThatDreamcastTho said:

Its just 2 characters and like 60 some costumes. No stages. The only character conspicuously missing is gen fu.

But it's not like I cant unlock those characters by playing the game right? I hope it isn't the new characters. I heard Raido is in it. I'll take him over Gen Fu anyday. 

Wrong. The DLC characters are not unlockable in the main game. The first is Mai from King of Fighters, and my guess is the second character will be Terry Bogard. They have nothing to do with the DOA story or main game. Raido is the end boss, and yes he is playable.



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ThatDreamcastTho said:
SuperRetroTurbo said:

But it's not like I cant unlock those characters by playing the game right? I hope it isn't the new characters. I heard Raido is in it. I'll take him over Gen Fu anyday. 

Wrong. The DLC characters are not unlockable in the main game. The first is Mai from King of Fighters, and my guess is the second character will be Terry Bogard. They have nothing to do with the DOA story or main game. Raido is the end boss, and yes he is playable.

Is that a definite? Usually they introduce the extra fighters within the games unlockables.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
KManX89 said:
Yup, and I fear this is only the beginning. I expect more Ultimate/Last Round edition milkage as well. They could just release new characters individually as DLC, but nooooooooo, gotta lock them behind updates.

Street Fighter called

SFV released characters individually as DLC. 



KManX89 said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

Street Fighter called

SFV released characters individually as DLC. 

Dead or Alive 6 is releasing them individually as well from what I've heard, just like DoA 5 did. 

Edit: Yep, they are indeed:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/dead-or-alive-6-character-nyotengu/bx0nqpk3gm1f?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

$4 per character

MS also accidentally posted the core fighter versions of the fighters before they were supposed to, Koei Tecmo didn't want people to know there was a F2P version of the game releasing soon because they didn't want their sales affected, lol.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/dead-or-alive-6-character-hayabusa/bnk1nvl99l97?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

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SuperRetroTurbo said:
ThatDreamcastTho said:

Wrong. The DLC characters are not unlockable in the main game. The first is Mai from King of Fighters, and my guess is the second character will be Terry Bogard. They have nothing to do with the DOA story or main game. Raido is the end boss, and yes he is playable.

Is that a definite? Usually they introduce the extra fighters within the games unlockables.

Nyotengu and Phase 5 were preorder bonuses, so they might be unlockable. But the King of Fighters characters I seriously doubt it.



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shikamaru317 said:
KManX89 said:

SFV released characters individually as DLC. 

Dead or Alive 6 is releasing them individually as well from what I've heard, just like DoA 5 did. 

Edit: Yep, they are indeed:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/dead-or-alive-6-character-nyotengu/bx0nqpk3gm1f?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

$4 per character

MS also accidentally posted the core fighter versions of the fighters before they were supposed to, Koei Tecmo didn't want people to know there was a F2P version of the game releasing soon because they didn't want their sales affected, lol.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/dead-or-alive-6-character-hayabusa/bnk1nvl99l97?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

Nyotengu was a free preorder bonus, not dlc. But if the king of fighters season pass characters are only $4 each I will probably get them. 



Machiavellian said:
d21lewis said:

I didn't need them. I wanted them. I wanted the "complete experience". When it became too much, I quit. No harm done.

Also, I didn't want anything for free. There was just so much dlc that it began to eclipse the cost of the game. Same with DoA, now. When I bought the first game on PS1, tons of costumes was a selling point. Now, the game seems secondary to the bonus stuff. Sign of the times, I guess. But they have a choice and I have a choice. I choose not to support this at all.

Maybe its just me.  I hardly ever look at DLC because I never buy it.  I purchase pretty much all fighting games because its my first love as far as games go but DLC has never been a thing I cared about.  My first and only concern is the main game is complete.  If that is the case it gets my money.  Any other extra stuff I consider fluff and not worth my time unless its priced right.

My gripe is that I always see gamers complain about developer supporting their game and actually charging for extra content believing it should be free.  The content should not be free because the work creating it isn't free.  Price is another thing and each developer has to pick the right sweet spot for sales.  If the price is too high then the community as a whole is at fault for supporting it.  

Truth be told, I kinda love DLC--to a point. Off the top of my head, I've purchased Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Red Dead 2, and Spider-Man deluxe editions without even knowing what the DLCs were. Sometimes they were great. Other times, a little underwhelming. Up to $20 or so above retail, I'm cool. I even bought all of Valkyria Chronicles 2's dlc because the game was so good and I have the season pass for Smash Ultimate despite never really liking the series.

But when it becomes too excessive, it turns me off. Usually it's a game like Onechambara or Shinran Kagura that abuses my love for titties.

-- I also have a sore spot for DLC that is actually already part of the game but the developer locks it away and makes us pay to unlock it. Just doesn't seem honest to me.



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KManX89 said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

Street Fighter called

SFV released characters individually as DLC. 

I know several people with SFV that have all the characters and didn't pay anything for them. Which is why they've been cutting the amount of FM challenges give each week.



Burning Typhoon said:
Machiavellian said:

This is what always confuse me, why do you need those costume packs.  As long as people will pay, then they will release them.  If there is a demand then someone will sell it to you.  Why do gamers believe everything should be for free.  The people that make your entertainment do not work for free.

I work as a developer but not for video games.  In the industry that I work for customers are always looking for us to do work for free.  The problem is that when you work billable hours, you cannot just do stuff for free.  A business has metrics that has to be met by each individual head and if those people are not pulling weight, then they get laid off.  This is why you see a lot of developers and other staff get laid off after completing projects under game development studios.  Game studios cannot support those extra personnel if they are not working and bringing income to the business.

There is a line that is met between a finish game and DLC.  The main game should be finished with a complete roster.  18 Characters look like a complete roster and from what I have seen from the main game, there are a decent list of costume for each character.  If the main game is complete then anything else created is done to keep the game alive but also keep those people who are not working on a new project employed.  

The game is not complete.  The online offers no support for lobbies.  There is no reason to charge 100 dollars.  It is on a server.  You would make more than 5x the amount of sales off of a product that takes up no physical space.  Why charge so much money from each person individually.  It's bad press, and it turns people off from the game.  It does more harm than good.

You're supposed to price your goods to make optimal sales with profits.  100 dollars, for DLC is absolutely doing more harm than good.  It's greed.  

And, yeah.. About street fighter 4... Look at how that turned out.  Look at all those people that bought DoA5. 

i play almost all fighting games.  But this is one that i will be skipping for a looong time.


If the only thing you can complain about is online lobbies not being there then I would consider that a ding more than being incomplete.  Incomplete would be not having a fully fleshed out character set to play and then charging for the rest via DLC for a full price 60 dollar game.

As for DLC, the company can charge whatever they want for, you vote with your dollars if you believe the price is legit.  There must be someone out there purchasing this stuff for that price or they would never charge it.  I know, I would never purchase it but then again, I barely if ever purchase DLC anyway.  DLC should never be a requirement to enjoy the main game and should always be as it is just more content.  If the DLC is required for continuing or enjoying a game, I do not purchase those products.

Not sure how SF 4 turned out but I did not purchase it until it was complete in my eyes.  I actually enjoyed the seasons for Killer Instinct 



d21lewis said:
Machiavellian said:

Maybe its just me.  I hardly ever look at DLC because I never buy it.  I purchase pretty much all fighting games because its my first love as far as games go but DLC has never been a thing I cared about.  My first and only concern is the main game is complete.  If that is the case it gets my money.  Any other extra stuff I consider fluff and not worth my time unless its priced right.

My gripe is that I always see gamers complain about developer supporting their game and actually charging for extra content believing it should be free.  The content should not be free because the work creating it isn't free.  Price is another thing and each developer has to pick the right sweet spot for sales.  If the price is too high then the community as a whole is at fault for supporting it.  

Truth be told, I kinda love DLC--to a point. Off the top of my head, I've purchased Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Red Dead 2, and Spider-Man deluxe editions without even knowing what the DLCs were. Sometimes they were great. Other times, a little underwhelming. Up to $20 or so above retail, I'm cool. I even bought all of Valkyria Chronicles 2's dlc because the game was so good and I have the season pass for Smash Ultimate despite never really liking the series.

But when it becomes too excessive, it turns me off. Usually it's a game like Onechambara or Shinran Kagura that abuses my love for titties.

-- I also have a sore spot for DLC that is actually already part of the game but the developer locks it away and makes us pay to unlock it. Just doesn't seem honest to me.

The locked away DLC that is on the disk I have to say is definitely shady.  If it can be released on the Disk, then it can be added to the main game.  Thats the publisher/Developer pulling a fast one and definitely garbage.