Also, thank you to everyone that participated in this discussion in a respectful, constructive way (which is just about everyone). The wife and I are taking everyone's feedback into consideration.

Morality is ambiguous. You can see it as wrong while someone else can see it as right, because a) parents make choices for children all the time so consent is thrown out of the window for a lot of things for the sake of giving those children a better future, and b) the end justifies the means to some.

However, even though I don't agree that circumcision is morally wrong, I support your right to believe that, and I also applaud you using your moral compass as a method of making decisions. It's much better than using pseudo-science and logical fallacies as a basis of doing things.

You’re welcome and I’m glad that all of us were able to hopefully help. I wrote earlier, I think on page 3, but I will add something in right now.   Nobody here discussed the horrible process that is trying to undo what your parents did when you were a baby. 

I have a friend that at the age of 25, became very depressed because when he went in deep into what circumcision is and what he no longer has/could have, he expressed a lot of resentment towards his parents for taking that away from him.

There is a good sized community of men that actively try to regain their foreskin. My friend explained to me the device that he uses. It’s kind of a suction cup that goes over your head and you pull the existing skin that you have on your shaft up and it clamps with in this device and you basically wear it all day long.

It’s supposed to stretch the skin so that you now have some type of cover, but of course, it’s nothing like the real thing that not only provides extra stimulation/sensation and the vein/self lubrication, but to this community of men that have fallen into this depressed state, it is the best they have until their hope that stem cell research will actually be able to give them back everything in proper form.

There are plenty of men that live normal lives that don’t know what they are missing and are OK as a result. There are also men that know what they are missing and don’t care.  But by seeing what my friend went through and the community that he became a part of, I know that there are also men that are deeply, negatively affected and do everything they can to get it back. 

 Let me give you a good example of how the whole “some women don’t like a natural penis” thing is pretty dumb.  

I had a friend who was half Mexican, half Colombian. He was of brown skin and had three younger sisters. The middle sister was very dark, with my friend and the other two sisters being a lighter brown.  Because at the time (a good 20 years ago), the perception of darker skinned people was dirty or animalistic (racist anyway you look at it), in the particular group of friends that she was a part of, she hated the way she looked after a while.

Do you think as a little girl, she thought her dad was gross because of his dark skin? No. Do you think as a little girl, she thought her skin color was gross? No. It’s because when she became a teenager and was around impressionable friends, she thought what other people thought and her views all of a sudden changed. Her mom would find her in the bathtub for hours, scrubbing away with soap and a loofah at her skin, to try to lighten herself up. 

How does this relate to anything? A girl growing up this very instance that has never seen a penis before, natural or circumcised, has no idea what one looks like and has no bias towards liking one more than the other or a disliking of one over the other.  Where did this “supposed” disliking of natural penises comes from, like I said in my first post, is from a negative impression that used to be more prominent in Hollywood, from Jewish writers, incorporating jokes into television and movies, about how a natural penis is gross.

Now you have a small portion of teenage boys that become self-aware that they are still natural and all of a sudden, begin to not like themselves. Likewise, you have a small portion of hopefully late teenage girls and women that due to Hollywood’s injection, now think they don’t like natural penises. 

Only a small portion of teenage boys/men end up falling for the negativity and body shame which is completely stupid and only a similarly small portioned category of teenage girls/women, suddenly don’t like natural penises.  There are plenty of women that like both, don’t care either way, or like a natural penis more as a matter of fact, because there is more to play with, orally.

And on the flipside, it’s a majority of men who remain natural their entire lives, that are happy with what they have, because they do enjoy the look, the extra feeling, and the extra satisfaction of what a woman can do with her tongue/lips to him plus the realization that him as a natural man, will get more out of oral sex than any circumcised men will get.

The tides are turning. The Hollywood scene and the writing is slowly fading. Countries are slowly performing less and less circumcisions. It definitely makes more sense to be a modern boy today that grows up to be a man of tomorrow, with a more advanced/forward way of thinking and having all that he was born with, completely in tact and enjoy sex the way it was meant to be enjoyed.

Ask yourself this. Does any animal…dog, cat, elephant, mouse, etc. circumcise their own male offspring? No. It doesn’t make sense for us to either. 

I am circumcized and I will say if you do go through with it’s not the end of the world. Most of the lies that you can’t feel sex as good are simply that. Scientific studies and a lot of science is just bullshit. However, the risk of complications no matter how small can’t be ignored and follows why I will hawk the mannar that they are vaccinated (I may try to avoid it and even forge their vaccinations). Another reason I’m against it is I’m Christian and it’s anti-Christian if you study the few references its mentioned in the Bible. Jesus was circumcized because he was born in a Jewish family, but he sort of compared it to an injury. Another reason is that it is against the natural order and the fact that there is any risk is enough for me. If my child has issues with his foreskin we will consider it, but let’s be honest. I’m not ruling things out if my child has some extreme unforseen problem. For me personally I would probably ignore my wife and refuse it for my future son and simply take the wheel on this one. So if I have a son he will definately not be circumcized even if the feeling changes and people do it at a much greater rate and that will further alienate my child. Again though I won’t hate someone for doing it and clearly it doesn’t mutilate them like some extremists like to say. That is just pornographic psychological warfare imo that isn’t really rooted in truth or love.

YEs, for things that impact them only as kids that makes perfect sense. Circumcision is with them forever whether they like it or not. 

If it turns out they circumcise you and you're happy with that or don't notice a difference? That's fine! good for you! I'm happy for you. But I must repeat myself again by saying that if they DO circumcise and you want a foreskin, too bad for you. Their decision just impacted you for the rest of your life based on faulty, out of date data and silly traditions. If you grow up and decide you want to be circumcised - say you like how it looks or you just wanna try it - that's YOUR decision. It's still a permanent one, but at least YOU, the owner of YOUR penis and recipient of the pleasure that comes from it, made the decision. 

I do not understand how you justify that gamble. You're taking only a small group of potential circumstances into consideration and using it to argue a point. 

Would you appreciate it if, today, your parents came into your room and started telling you what positions you could do with your wife/girlfriend? Would you - or anyone - be amicable to the idea that your pastor could come into your house and make a decision about YOUR junk for you well before you had the opportunity to make up your mind? 

Sure, there are people out there who were circumcised at birth and okay with it. For those people, I'm happy. I truly am. I'm glad that, by chance, your parents made a decision that you agree with and appreciate. However, I've been on this earth more than 30 years and I've learned there ARE NO ARGUMENTS that even hold a candle to the magical word: Choice. As an adult male, you should have control over your genitals. That's the final say. YOU and ONLY YOU (maybe your boyfriend/wife/husband/girlfriend) should have that say, and that decision should only be made once you're at an age where you have a basic understanding of how your cock works. Never before. 

Take a 4-square grid. On the X axis you have two options: Were you circumcised at birth or not? On the Y Axis, Are you happy with this decision or not? 

If you were cut and happy with this decision, then cool! Nothing changes. 

If you were uncut and happy with this decision, then cool! Nothing changes! 

If you were Uncut and unhappy with this decision, you have the choice to get cut! 

If you were Cut and unhappy with this decision, you're stuck with it regardless. 

So realistically, there are NO negative results if you are uncut at birth (And, you know, not a disgusting slob and don't let peer pressure force you to mutilate your dick to fit in). But if you ARE cut at birth, there's a chance you will be stuck with that and unhappy about it your whole life. The potential negative effects of being uncut are absolutely nothing compared to the lifelong misery you might have thrust upon you if you're cut and resent it later in life. HAving met many men (and partners of mine) who hate their parents for having them circumcised but NEVER met a person who was uncut and for some reason hated their parents for that or resented it tells you all I need. you know why? because if you're a grown-assed man who wants to get rid of his foreskin, then you have that option and therefore it's not worth being bitchy about. 

Then again, I've also never met a man with foreskin who hates it. Why? Because it's good! Keeps ya tender and sensitive and soft and well lubed and more pleasured in the act! 

Point is the same I've been saying all along. Uncut is better at birth because you can make the decision on your own upon becoming an adult. There are no good reasons to circumcise from a medical standpoint, and simply 'accepting' your parents choice is not a good enough reason to take that decision away. 

People in this thread need to stop asserting 'well it's okay for me so therefore it must be okay for my kid' as an excuse. I pierced my own clit with a 14g needle and that was fine. Doesn't mean it's for everyone. I have tattoos, I have modified parts of myself to fit my needs, that doesn't mean I'd do it to others. You should NEVER make the decision for someone else, not for something that is so intimate, especially not a decade or more before they have the sexual maturity to know what they want. 

Let me add another "no" to the sea of "no's". As a (secular) circumcised guy myself, I'd have preferred to had a say in it... and the answer would have been, of course, no.

So science is stupid,lets open the bible for a more logical approach?

lol

Generally I think its a safe and sound decision to leave the body as it is, but keep an eye on it when he's growing up, circumcision can be good for those who foreskin is too tight/long and prevents it from being thoroughly cleaned and can scar/tear during intercourse

Yer but isn't it becoming less common now? By the time your son is an adult a circumcised dick may be the weird thing.

First i herd of that. I know no Christian /Catholic that has said it is tradition. Maybe a jew but that is about it.