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RaptorChrist said:
Weird. I'm American, and circumcision is standard practice. If anything, I would say you *should* have your son circumcised if only to prevent him from feeling ashamed of his penis. Women would be happier, too.

I'm American, too, and I find it weird how everyone is so anti-circumcision.

On one side, I understand that mutilating a child is barbaric.

On the other side, I don't remember any of it, myself, so I don't feel bad about being mutilated.

But the bigger thing is I am not ashamed of how it looks. Boosting self esteem isn't a bad thing.

I've heard girls literally talk in disgust about uncut penises. I get the science (self-lubing and probably feels better for both guy and girl), but I am pretty sure the look of it matters more to most girls (in the US, at least, probably different in other countries).

I don't see it as something for health benefits. I see it more as plastic surgery. Not the best thing, but not as bad as people on this thread are making it out to be.



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danasider said:
RaptorChrist said:
Weird. I'm American, and circumcision is standard practice. If anything, I would say you *should* have your son circumcised if only to prevent him from feeling ashamed of his penis. Women would be happier, too.

I'm American, too, and I find it weird how everyone is so anti-circumcision.

On one side, I understand that mutilating a child is barbaric.

On the other side, I don't remember any of it, myself, so I don't feel bad about being mutilated.

But the bigger thing is I am not ashamed of how it looks. Boosting self esteem isn't a bad thing.

I've heard girls literally talk in disgust about uncut penises. I get the science (self-lubing and probably feels better for both guy and girl), but I am pretty sure the look of it matters more to most girls (in the US, at least, probably different in other countries).

I don't see it as something for health benefits. I see it more as plastic surgery. Not the best thing, but not as bad as people on this thread are making it out to be.

This is about where I come down as well (I'm also American).  American chicks, as I understand it, tend to think uncircumcised penises are weird.  I don't want my son to have to deal with that.

On the hand, it is cosmetic surgery without the patient's consent.  That seems morally wrong to me.  So, I'm pretty sure we aren't gonna do it.



VAMatt said:
danasider said:

I'm American, too, and I find it weird how everyone is so anti-circumcision.

On one side, I understand that mutilating a child is barbaric.

On the other side, I don't remember any of it, myself, so I don't feel bad about being mutilated.

But the bigger thing is I am not ashamed of how it looks. Boosting self esteem isn't a bad thing.

I've heard girls literally talk in disgust about uncut penises. I get the science (self-lubing and probably feels better for both guy and girl), but I am pretty sure the look of it matters more to most girls (in the US, at least, probably different in other countries).

I don't see it as something for health benefits. I see it more as plastic surgery. Not the best thing, but not as bad as people on this thread are making it out to be.

This is about where I come down as well (I'm also American).  American chicks, as I understand it, tend to think uncircumcised penises are weird.  I don't want my son to have to deal with that.

On the hand, it is cosmetic surgery without the patient's consent.  That seems morally wrong to me.  So, I'm pretty sure we aren't gonna do it.

Exactly. It feels wrong for that reason, but at the same time is it wrong for Americans to have a cultural excuse? Every time another culture has something, it's because of the culture. When it's American, it's evil. Btw, I am a minority so I am not a Trump toting bigot.

I just see that in this culture, guys are judged a certain way based off their penis (and girls are judged for a whole lot of other things so I am not saying guys are victims here). I think my kid would like a nicer looking penis over a lifetime of insecurity over how girls see uncircumcised penises, higher sensation be damned.



Circumcision is really necessary in a minority of cases. Most people don't need any operation at all, and amongst those that really need one, in most cases, it was my case too, frenulectomy is the right operation.



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I'd say ask the doctor if your son has excess foreskin, if so 'nip the tip'. If the foreskin 'normal' then I dont see the need as long as good hygiene is practiced/taught.



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No, its a barbaric and antiquated practise. And what do you mean by your child will be ridiculed? Who will he be showing his penis to at a young age? That shouldn't be a problem until hes ready to have a girlfriend and most girls don't care much about it.



VAMatt said:

This is about where I come down as well (I'm also American).  American chicks, as I understand it, tend to think uncircumcised penises are weird.  I don't want my son to have to deal with that.

On the hand, it is cosmetic surgery without the patient's consent.  That seems morally wrong to me.  So, I'm pretty sure we aren't gonna do it.

I'm not american and uncut is the norm around here, but felt like trhowing my two cents on a couple of points.

First, as you mentioned only around 60% of newborns are being circuncised nowadays. Messages of bodily autonomy, acceptance, etc are on the high (even thoguh yes, mental disorders also are, as someone mentioned earlier). Current macro-politics aside, I would wager this is a trend that'll extend through his youth. So yeah, maybe he eventually gets poked fun at, but it'll probably be less likely and possibly tend to be less of a deal then than it would have been back in your puberty. And, I mean, if he's gonna have body image issues (really hope he doesn't of course, those suck : p), I doubt the simple lack of a little skin is really gonna be enough to change that.

Other than that, not to get into some slippery slope fallacy, but is this a kind of care that you could possibly extend to your general upbringin of him in any justifiable, healthy and sane way? Also, yeah, it is cosmetic. Do you feel like having your baby go through cosmetic surgery for something like this would transmit a messege, hell even a lesson you believe is right or healthy for you son, let alone the culture or general discourse?



If a girl would reject your son (which I doubt, I don’t think American girls are that shallow) later on because she doesn’t like the look of his thing, she probably doesn’t deserve him anyway so I wouldn’t be scared about that.

EDIT: Also, the easier to clean argument is strange. That’s like saying it’s better to pull out my teeth because I’ll have to brush them...

Last edited by S.Peelman - on 25 January 2019

I'm surprised at all the "no" responses in this thread. Being an American it's still a pretty common practice. I gotta say it's a bit of a bummer reading some of these comments as a circumcised male lol. I've started to feel a bit bummed about it actually over the recent years of reading more and more about how the pros far outweigh the cons of being uncircumcised, when in the last decade and prior, most of what I had heard way essentially reversed. Too bad I can't "reverse" what's already been done :/

It's even a bit more insult to injury to me as I have heard it's largely done (at least in my neck of the woods) as a Christian/Catholic "tradition" more so than any precieved health benefits and I'm quite firmly anti-religious..

But yeah, it's still a pretty common thing in the US (though I sense this is starting to change now that religion isn't as prominent and more information is out there). Even now to a degree, here in the US you're typically considered a bit strange or at least "different" if you're uncircumcised, and I've heard of a lot of women saying it looks strange to them.

I have to say though..

(INCOMING GROSS STORY, if you're easily squeamish you may not want to read)

..I did sort of rethink my envy of uncircumcised a bit when a good friend of mine (uncircumcised - he told me this btw, we're not "that way" lol) - but anyway he told me a rather stomach-churning tale about some of his skin getting .. erm "ripped" and bleeding pretty roughly at the top of his penis when having sex with his girlfriend.



 

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..I did sort of rethink my envy of uncircumcised a bit when a good friend of mine (uncircumcised - he told me this btw, we're not "that way" lol) - but anyway he told me a rather stomach-churning tale about some of his skin getting .. erm "ripped" and bleeding pretty roughly at the top of his penis when having sex with his girlfriend.

The both of them should go to the doctor and get a proper check-up cause there is something severely wrong with one of them