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Sam Harris is probably the furthest from right wing in the bunch, so for him to take the first move and go as far as closing his account is pretty cool to see.



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KLAMarine said:
What did Sargon of Akkad do to get himself removed?

Nothing other than being right winged and the Pateron not wanting him to have a platform to spread his opinion.



KLAMarine said:
What did Sargon of Akkad do to get himself removed?

Okay, I can understand why Patreon removed him: https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf

Certainly some spicy language, to say the least...

Will listen to it in its full context later on (assuming this is where it happens): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74llFWdeKNM



betacon said:
KLAMarine said:
What did Sargon of Akkad do to get himself removed?

Nothing other than being right winged and the Pateron not wanting him to have a platform to spread his opinion.

Ok, and? Why does this guy deserve a platform? He has a right to speak but he doesn't have a right to a megaphone. Why don't conservatives get this? You're not entitled to someone else's site or service. Just as I can kick someone out of my house for saying something I don't like you can get kicked off a website for the same reason. The first amendment protects you from the government and violence not people telling you to shut up



There isn't any money in Patreon closing an entire political spectrum out of their site. So I'm kind of suspicious of the validity of these concerns. It seems to me like these internet figures always ride too close to the line.



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collint0101 said:
betacon said:

Nothing other than being right winged and the Pateron not wanting him to have a platform to spread his opinion.

Ok, and? Why does this guy deserve a platform? He has a right to speak but he doesn't have a right to a megaphone. Why don't conservatives get this? You're not entitled to someone else's site or service. Just as I can kick someone out of my house for saying something I don't like you can get kicked off a website for the same reason. The first amendment protects you from the government and violence not people telling you to shut up

I think this is a consequence of the entitlement many feel in this era of social media. We have taken internet and social networks for granted that some of us seem to sometimes confuse them with free speech. We should demand more from our governments and never confuse them with private companies but it seems to often be mixed up by some people. That said, it´s up to Sam Harris to cancel his account for whatever reason he has, that´s the power of us as consumers. I don´t buy his reasoning though.



collint0101 said:
betacon said:

Nothing other than being right winged and the Pateron not wanting him to have a platform to spread his opinion.

Ok, and? Why does this guy deserve a platform? He has a right to speak but he doesn't have a right to a megaphone. Why don't conservatives get this? You're not entitled to someone else's site or service. Just as I can kick someone out of my house for saying something I don't like you can get kicked off a website for the same reason. The first amendment protects you from the government and violence not people telling you to shut up

Extreme right wing nutters always tout "will of the free market" until it turns out no corporation wants their crappy views tainting their brand. 



Soundwave said:
collint0101 said:

Ok, and? Why does this guy deserve a platform? He has a right to speak but he doesn't have a right to a megaphone. Why don't conservatives get this? You're not entitled to someone else's site or service. Just as I can kick someone out of my house for saying something I don't like you can get kicked off a website for the same reason. The first amendment protects you from the government and violence not people telling you to shut up

Extreme right wing nutters always tout "will of the free market" until it turns out no corporation wants their crappy views tainting their brand. 

Exactly. Go and read or listen to sargon's outburst and remember that this is the guy people are defending. Conservatism has turned into nothing but internet trolls and edge lords trying to be as offensive and controversial as possible then crying whenever someone calls them out for it 



pokoko said:
So, I mean, what is this? I don't know this Harris person or this Peterson person. There is nothing in the OP that tells me anything about the accounts that were closed and if they were in violation of any policies. There is no substance here at all.

All I can do is shrug.

Harris and Peterson are both very smart individuals, especially when it comes to how people think and why. Harris is clearly left but not what some would call 'radical' left, and Peterson is fairly center but sides with the right based on the lefts political viewpoint at the moment. Ruben used to be part of TYT and now has his own show and is also fairly center, yet sides with the right because he thinks the left has gone way to far considering he's got a lot of hate for being gay and not a firm lefty anymore.

The way I understand it, is that Sargon was banned from Patreon for saying something on YouTube quite a while ago. I can't remember if it was months or years, but not recent. Patreon or someone else found it and used it against him. The problem is that while it could fall under hate speech (I think it was) from Patreons rules and guidelines, which is up to them, what was said has nothing to do with Patreon because it was on another platform that isn't tied to those rules and guidelines. Patreon is basically acting as Team America world police, and we know how people tend to feel about that. 

Sargon is upset because he found out from his viewers that he was kicked off Patreon, and he had to contact Patreon to find out officially. Patreon in short, basically told him their rules and guidelines aren't well defined and so this incident can fall into that. Sargon and many other Patreon members are pissed off yet worried that without well defined guidelines, anyone could be banned at anytime, which is not a stable business model.

Patreon doesn't seem to care and doesn't really want to do much about it, and considering the constant insta-bans that have been happening more and more recently, tied to social media or internet based services, certain individuals want to get together to create their own version of Patreon. You can bet if this happens, that will just be the first step towards creating their own knockoffs of other platforms they use, which tend to be somewhat risky and could get worse.



Patreon might lose a few bucks out of this, but it'll probably end up being a drop in the ocean compared to the number of people using the site to provide or access adult material.