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So, I mean, what is this? I don't know this Harris person or this Peterson person. There is nothing in the OP that tells me anything about the accounts that were closed and if they were in violation of any policies. There is no substance here at all.

All I can do is shrug.



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Won't someone think of the racists *sobs*



That’s the free market at work. Gay folk can’t have cakes, and bratty adults can’t have Patreon.

I don’t really know much about either of these guys other than that Sam Harris is an atheist with a bit of a victim complex - he’s basically a “California Lite” brand of Christopher Hitchens - in that he completely lacks the depth of knowledge or interesting personality, that Hitchens had - at least Hitchens had a lot more going on for him than his way-over-acted-to-sell-books atheism side project; Dawkins too, for that matter. It sounds like Jordan Peterson might have an even worse victim complex too by the sounds of things. And come on, “Intellectual dark web” Please tell me they didn’t come up with that on their own, and that instead it was some pretentious 13-year old =P

Heh, after listening to a bit of Jordan Peterson - he doesn’t sound like Hitchens lite, he sounds like the sort of moron Hitchens eviscerated in debate on a weekly basis. Also, it could just be me, but Peterson sounds like he has a bit of a Kermit the Frog in his throat! =D

For the record, years ago, I actually used to post on a history forum with Sargon of Akkad, he was a bit of a loser, and eventually he got himself banned there too for lacking the ability to accept different opinions =P - if you think us Germans are bad with that (and yes, I believe a good large portion of us have problems with arguing), you should have got a load of that guy.

It surprised me that a sad little guy like him actually got a following. Who knows? People change. Maybe he had grown up and actually became an adult. If Patreon is banning him it’s likely not the case. That people support this miserable guy says something about the state of (at least some portion) humanity.

 

Congrats to Sam Harris, virtue signal heard

Last edited by Jumpin - on 18 December 2018

I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Meh, in my experience right-wing figures have a habit of getting dangerously close to legitimate bigotry in regards to a lot of their views and talking points. Economic conservatism is something I disagree with but have no problem with the existence of but a lot of the social talking points basically consist of justifying a shitty opinion under the guise of free speech then complaining about everyone else using their free speech to protest or drop support for their shitty opinion



Sam Harris never had to worry about money in his entire life he was pretty much born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So him having a patreon account to being with was completely unnecessary.



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Megiddo said:
o_O.Q said:

can you define free market for me? and in that definition explain how the point is to suppress opposition

Laissez-faire capitalism is based around the idea of no government intervention whatsoever in private business. The government is "hands off" and leaves private business to do what it wants.

The point of a corporation is to make money. If there is something that is impeding a corporation from making money then they will do what they can to remove the impediment.

Let's use an example. Dollar General and Family Dollar are both entities that serve pretty much the same purpose. They are competitors vying for the same consumers and are each impeding the other from making more money. What usually happens in a free market?  Why, they merge! And in Family Dollar's case, it was very much an unwanted merger. That doesn't matter though, because Dollar General had the ability to threaten a hostile takeover by buying up Family Dollar's stock. That resulted in the merger.

Sources:

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2014/0910/Dollar-General-attempts-hostile-takeover-of-Family-Dollar.-What-s-a-hostile-takeover

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/03/business/dealbook/dollar-tree-and-family-dollar-will-sell-330-stores-to-seal-merger-deal.html

That is the free market. That is suppressing the opposition by buying them out and removing competition to get close to monopolizing the market and to have full control

 

So now, I've done a good deal of teaching. I don't mind the lesson, but it's boring when there's no actual discussion going on. Feel free to bring up your own thoughts if you can manage to sort them out clearly.

Family Dollar and Dollar General where more or less the same stores even before they merged.  Them merging could end up being a good thing overall cause it could mean less of one or both stores which is a good thing because most areas that have either one of those stores need more real grocery stores and less Family Dollar and Dollar General stores.



Mr Puggsly said:
Megiddo said:

What? That's absolutely the end goal of Laissez-faire capitalism that "free market" enterprise (American anyhow) is rooted in.

Let me guess. You've never heard of a "company store" have you?

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

I think your argument is a huge stretch. Also antithetical to existing laws which are supposed to stand against stuff like this.

Yeah, that's basically the endgame of laissez-faire capitalism: Companies getting to big to be opposed by anyone apart from other supercorps. 



Chris Hu said:
Sam Harris never had to worry about money in his entire life he was pretty much born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So him having a patreon account to being with was completely unnecessary.

What's your point though?

I mean I can think of a lot of rich people who technically don't need to make another dollar. Like pretty much anybody who has been a successful musician, athlete, or actor for years.

If he's willing to close his account to make a point, good for him. Personally I support a few people on Patreon and I'm going to use alternatives when available.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

I think your argument is a huge stretch. Also antithetical to existing laws which are supposed to stand against stuff like this.

Yeah, that's basically the endgame of laissez-faire capitalism: Companies getting to big to be opposed by anyone apart from other supercorps. 

No, I think that's the fear of it. Not the goal.



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o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:

This is what happens when you learn about economics from a socialist.

exactly and the thing that always gets me is that these people are here using computers with internet connections on a video game forum and cannot for some reason acknowledge the contradiction in their brains...

how do people think any of these things came into existence? its through competition dummies!!!

i swear its the most bizarre thing i have ever experienced

i'm starting to wonder if its the result of isolation away from the actual operations that produce the products we use and maintain our services that leads to this kind of ignorance and it seems to be the case in some cases

the other thing is that if you care so much about the poor, put your money where your mouth is and sell all of this unnecessary crap like video games and invest that into funding social programs for the poor and dedicate the time you would spend posting here to that cause

you don't do it because the truth is that you really don't care about the poor, its virtue signalling bullshit

Here's the thing though: Social democrats (the kind of people most Americans call socialists or far left despite being far away from the edges and actually center-left) believe very in that competition very much. In fact, one of their key points is to level the field for everyone and not having the bigger ones eating up the smaller ones like Majin Boo eating candy - which is what happens under laissez-faire capitalism all the time. It's called a social market economy.

And all that company-eating has a negative effect on innovation: why research when there's no competition who can challenge current products (just look what Intel did for years now). Oh, and since there's no competition, let's crank up the prices (Intel, NVidia and Apple for more well-known examples) as well. Besides, if they ever need to innovate, they'd just buy up a start-up or a competitor with some good ideas with a small part of the money they made by having no real competition.

I believe many of those who support laissez-faire capitalism  would actually be more in favor of Ordoliberalism, as here the State's main purpose is to keep a healthy competition between the companies and their output the closest possible to their theoretical maximum.