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CaptainExplosion said:
StuOhQ said:
The one and ONLY reason Trump backed out of this deal is because Obama helped create it and everyone told him it was a bad idea to back out. He's the jealous child who hates to be told not to do something.

What he said.

 

Impeach this brainless fascist before he gets us all killed. How many times do I have to say this?

LOL The only fascists are on the left. Trump has done more good for this country in a year than Bush and Obama in both terms.



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Superman4 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

It's better to make peace than war. What do you want, having Iran nuked? Ever thought about the innocents who would get caught in the blasts? You wanna see children burned just because they're living in Iran?

Peace was a facade. Just lie NK wasnt supposed to be developing nukes. 

So you do want to nuke Iran?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

It happened after the Iran deal. The meeting is still on with NK and Trump. Looks like it will be fine. NK will do what China tells them to do.

 

Also your friends in Iran are quickly back to burning flags and chanting death to america, like they have been, before the deal. after the deal, and after the deal was dead. sarcastic: how my heart bleeds for them.

 

⚠️ WARNED: Flaming ~ CGI

What do you expect? They're basically "We had a deal! We followed it, we stopped everything, sold off materials and dismantled production capacities (97% of the enriched Plutonium; the 3% that's left are enough for a civilian test reactor, but not for an atomic bomb, 4 out of 5 of the generators and about 60% of the enrichers capacity (those are huge and take a very long time to dismantle both due to their size and due to radioactive contamination of the steel, hence why only 60% by now)), had scientists and UN check every month whenever they wanted (and yeah, the news about Iran not letting them check the facilities where from before the deal!) and they still cancel the deal and want to impose heavy restrictions? Fuck them traitors!"

Trump is basically achieving the contrary of what he wanted. The Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, is a very progressive and moderate one. Part of his presidential pitch was to improve relations with the west - but with Trump unilaterally canceling the deal you can be dead sure this plan is now dead and buried (other things he did was to improve the rights of women and the individual freedom of everybody in Iran, free access to information and supports the rights of ethnic minorities in Iran. If that sounds evil to you, I don't want to know what's not evil for you). But this decision will be the perfect fuel for hardliners and extremists. Trumps decision probably crushed the dreams of all the moderates and progressive people in the country and probably has added several thousands of extremists and terrorists to some groups just in retaliation to "the untrustworthy westerners". Because for them after this, we are traitors and cheaters and holding Iran down not for good reasons, but out of spite. Hassan's successors will most probably be conservative hardliners since they can market this decision the best for them in the next elections, and all the progress he achieved in human rights will probably be lost under them. Nice job breaking it, Mr. President!

You can also be dead sure that they will not accept another agreement anytime soon. I mean, who would accept an agreement after getting cheated out of their previous one? They won't trust the west playing by the rules after this and thus surely won't play by the rules either anymore.

So we were able to inspect all site locations whenever we wanted to? No.  This deal was complete BS, if Iran wants peace they will still be open to talks.



Superman4 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

What do you expect? They're basically "We had a deal! We followed it, we stopped everything, sold off materials and dismantled production capacities (97% of the enriched Plutonium; the 3% that's left are enough for a civilian test reactor, but not for an atomic bomb, 4 out of 5 of the generators and about 60% of the enrichers capacity (those are huge and take a very long time to dismantle both due to their size and due to radioactive contamination of the steel, hence why only 60% by now)), had scientists and UN check every month whenever they wanted (and yeah, the news about Iran not letting them check the facilities where from before the deal!) and they still cancel the deal and want to impose heavy restrictions? Fuck them traitors!"

Trump is basically achieving the contrary of what he wanted. The Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, is a very progressive and moderate one. Part of his presidential pitch was to improve relations with the west - but with Trump unilaterally canceling the deal you can be dead sure this plan is now dead and buried (other things he did was to improve the rights of women and the individual freedom of everybody in Iran, free access to information and supports the rights of ethnic minorities in Iran. If that sounds evil to you, I don't want to know what's not evil for you). But this decision will be the perfect fuel for hardliners and extremists. Trumps decision probably crushed the dreams of all the moderates and progressive people in the country and probably has added several thousands of extremists and terrorists to some groups just in retaliation to "the untrustworthy westerners". Because for them after this, we are traitors and cheaters and holding Iran down not for good reasons, but out of spite. Hassan's successors will most probably be conservative hardliners since they can market this decision the best for them in the next elections, and all the progress he achieved in human rights will probably be lost under them. Nice job breaking it, Mr. President!

You can also be dead sure that they will not accept another agreement anytime soon. I mean, who would accept an agreement after getting cheated out of their previous one? They won't trust the west playing by the rules after this and thus surely won't play by the rules either anymore.

So we were able to inspect all site locations whenever we wanted to? No.  This deal was complete BS, if Iran wants peace they will still be open to talks.

After getting cheated? Just try cheating on your wife and then see if she wants to talk no matter how much she loves you.

Iran may still be open to talks, but certainly not with the US.



Superman4 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

What do you expect? They're basically "We had a deal! We followed it, we stopped everything, sold off materials and dismantled production capacities (97% of the enriched Plutonium; the 3% that's left are enough for a civilian test reactor, but not for an atomic bomb, 4 out of 5 of the generators and about 60% of the enrichers capacity (those are huge and take a very long time to dismantle both due to their size and due to radioactive contamination of the steel, hence why only 60% by now)), had scientists and UN check every month whenever they wanted (and yeah, the news about Iran not letting them check the facilities where from before the deal!) and they still cancel the deal and want to impose heavy restrictions? Fuck them traitors!"

Trump is basically achieving the contrary of what he wanted. The Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, is a very progressive and moderate one. Part of his presidential pitch was to improve relations with the west - but with Trump unilaterally canceling the deal you can be dead sure this plan is now dead and buried (other things he did was to improve the rights of women and the individual freedom of everybody in Iran, free access to information and supports the rights of ethnic minorities in Iran. If that sounds evil to you, I don't want to know what's not evil for you). But this decision will be the perfect fuel for hardliners and extremists. Trumps decision probably crushed the dreams of all the moderates and progressive people in the country and probably has added several thousands of extremists and terrorists to some groups just in retaliation to "the untrustworthy westerners". Because for them after this, we are traitors and cheaters and holding Iran down not for good reasons, but out of spite. Hassan's successors will most probably be conservative hardliners since they can market this decision the best for them in the next elections, and all the progress he achieved in human rights will probably be lost under them. Nice job breaking it, Mr. President!

You can also be dead sure that they will not accept another agreement anytime soon. I mean, who would accept an agreement after getting cheated out of their previous one? They won't trust the west playing by the rules after this and thus surely won't play by the rules either anymore.

So we were able to inspect all site locations whenever we wanted to? No.  This deal was complete BS, if Iran wants peace they will still be open to talks.

Just because SOME Iranians are nuclear loving holocaust deniers doesn't mean they ALL are.



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JudasKiss said:
Less than 24 hours after the announcement, they're burning our flag and shouting for our deaths. Why would we want to put on a facade of peace with these people?

the people who did that are the hardline assholes that never wanted the deal in the first place and the hardline assholes on your side made sure they have a great opportunity to say "see, the USA/West is not trustworthy" and harshly condemn any western influence (you know, like human rights, religious rights, women rights etc)

btw historically the US fucked Iran over at several occasions, so I get why they are angry (but I don't condone them shouting "death to america" or "death to Israel")

Superman4 said:

So we were able to inspect all site locations whenever we wanted to? No.  This deal was complete BS, if Iran wants peace they will still be open to talks.

they are open to talks with adults, which the current US goverment is severly lacking

that said the next Iranian parliament will probably see the religous hardliners gaining the upper hand again due to Trump souring the image of the west

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Lafiel said:
JudasKiss said:
Less than 24 hours after the announcement, they're burning our flag and shouting for our deaths. Why would we want to put on a facade of peace with these people?

the people who did that are the hardline assholes that never wanted the deal in the first place and the hardline assholes on your side made sure they have a great oportunity to say "see, the USA/West is not trustworthy" and harshly condemn any western influence (you know, like human rights, religious rights, women rights etc)

btw historically the US fucked Iran over at several opportunities, so I get why they are angry (but I don't condone them shouting "death to america" or "death to Israel")

See? Both sides fucked up big time.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

Not denying this but how is this so? I'm not very well informed on this whole situation.. 

Shia muslim groups have gained strong footholds since the Arab Spring movement and the US wars, in Lebanon for example Shias now have a significant influence in parliament, in Iraq Saddam's removal increased Iran's influence in the region, Syria is Iranian backed and aided by Shia groups, Yemen continues to battle Saudi Arabia etc... The Sunni's influence has taken a hit in recent years increasing Iran's influence.

Iran are one of the few Muslim countries who are mainly Shia Muslims most of the middle east were Sunni but since a number of significant leaders have been toppled Shia groups have began gaining influence.

Not all country you mention are totally gained influence from the Rafida.  Some coutry are still at war, it's called proxy war. Yaman is still in war and not yet fall in the hand of shia  , Syrian  still got a lot of sunny rebellion (FSA) except ISIS which is a mafia that not fight for SUNNI nor Shia. Iraq probably yes they got influenced and also Qatar.  One more countries which is Bahrain should be on the list, but politically the are with the Saudi. 



HollyGamer said:
Wyrdness said:

Shia muslim groups have gained strong footholds since the Arab Spring movement and the US wars, in Lebanon for example Shias now have a significant influence in parliament, in Iraq Saddam's removal increased Iran's influence in the region, Syria is Iranian backed and aided by Shia groups, Yemen continues to battle Saudi Arabia etc... The Sunni's influence has taken a hit in recent years increasing Iran's influence.

Iran are one of the few Muslim countries who are mainly Shia Muslims most of the middle east were Sunni but since a number of significant leaders have been toppled Shia groups have began gaining influence.

Not all country you mention are totally gained influence from the Rafida.  Some coutry are still at war, it's called proxy war. Yaman is still in war and not yet fall in the hand of shia  , Syrian  still got a lot of sunny rebellion (FSA) except ISIS which is a mafia that not fight for SUNNI nor Shia. Iraq probably yes they got influenced and also Qatar.  One more countries which is Bahrain should be on the list, but politically the are with the Saudi. 

Can't let a few bad eggs spoil the carton.



StuOhQ said:
The one and ONLY reason Trump backed out of this deal is because Obama helped create it and everyone told him it was a bad idea to back out. He's the jealous child who hates to be told not to do something.

Except he spouted his disgust for this deal before it became--conveniently--something everyone said he should stick with. He was ranting about this all throughout the campaign trail for ****'s sake.  Also, it's like everyone's forgetting there was bipartisan opposition to this deal in the first place (w/ flavors of antisemitism from a certain journo outlet highlighting how many jewish democrats were dissatisfied).  

(P.S. this was technically two reasons)