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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trump pulls out of Iran nuclear agreement

Puppyroach on 13 May 2018
h2ohno said:
Puppyroach said:
So, he's either a moron or he's doing this because of some shady deal he has with Israel and Russia. I don't know what's worse though

This post makes no sense.  Russia is one of the biggest supporters of the 2015 Iran deal and is the closest thing Iran has to an ally that isn't a puppet like Assad or Nasrallah.  Russia is the last country that would engage in a 'shady deal' to kill a deal they pushed for and to reimpose sanctions on Iran.

Trump wants to not only put a stop to Iran's nuclear program for good, he also wants stop Iran's ballistic missile program, it's funding for terrorists like the Houthis and Hezbollah, and get Iran out of Syria.  All of those things become much easier when he can bring the full weight of US sanctions against Iran's economy, and reimposing the sanctions now is easier than reimposing the sanctions when the nuclear deal's restrictions expire in the coming years.  That's what Trump is thinking.

Because the US breaking this deal only benefits Russia in creating closer ties between them and Iran. It also benefits Netanyahu and his position in Israel so both Russia and Israel stands to benefit greatly from this situation.



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h2ohno on 13 May 2018
Puppyroach said:
h2ohno said:

This post makes no sense.  Russia is one of the biggest supporters of the 2015 Iran deal and is the closest thing Iran has to an ally that isn't a puppet like Assad or Nasrallah.  Russia is the last country that would engage in a 'shady deal' to kill a deal they pushed for and to reimpose sanctions on Iran.

Trump wants to not only put a stop to Iran's nuclear program for good, he also wants stop Iran's ballistic missile program, it's funding for terrorists like the Houthis and Hezbollah, and get Iran out of Syria.  All of those things become much easier when he can bring the full weight of US sanctions against Iran's economy, and reimposing the sanctions now is easier than reimposing the sanctions when the nuclear deal's restrictions expire in the coming years.  That's what Trump is thinking.

Because the US breaking this deal only benefits Russia in creating closer ties between them and Iran. It also benefits Netanyahu and his position in Israel so both Russia and Israel stands to benefit greatly from this situation.

It in no way benefits Russia.  What Russia fears most right now is getting caught in the middle between Iran and Israel in Syria.  Russia's interest is keeping its naval base in Syria, and while they are allies in keeping Assad in power, Iran's actions beyond that put Russia's position in Syria in jeopardy.And for all it's shielding of Iran over the years, Russia has no more desire to see Iran acquire nuclear weapons than anyone else.

It does benefit Israel, and Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain, and many other nations in the Middle East that are either currently engaged in conflict with Iran or fear Iran's expansionism.  And there is an argument to be made that it benefits the US to apply this pressure on Iran now and not wait until it's built-up in Syria and supplied more billions to the Houthis and Hezbollah.



Machiavellian on 14 May 2018
thismeintiel said:
KManX89 said:

Let's not kid ourselves into thinking Trump denuclearized NK, the NK media themselves said he had nothing to do with it and warned the US not to mislead the world into believing so.

LOL. I guess you believe that all the animals of the forest cried for the death of Kim Jong Il, also? Or that he caught a unicorn? Or played a perfect game of golf his first time? There is no NK media. It's NK propaganda controlled by the state.

I get it, you guys will twist everything so that Trump receives no credit for anything. But, to use NK propaganda as proof? That's a new low. Of course, you completely ignore the fact that they let us fly in and take out 3 prisoners, with nothing in return. And they are meeting with us. Not England. Not France. Not Germany. Us. They are scared shitless about what Trump might do to them, so they are playing nice. 

Well you have 2 different stories.  You have Trump on one end and you have NK on the other.  Somewhere in the middle is China because why would NK leader go to China first before this summit.   So you tell me, exactly what negotiations technique did Trump do that resulted in NK wanting to come to the table.  Was it him talking about his nukes or calling Kim names or some other stupid crap.  

Before you start to give Trump any credit, first he will have to actually get it done right.  Going to a summit is only the very beginning, he still have to institute and put something in place.  Lets see how this all goes first before any decisions are made on Trump ability to close a deal.  So far, he really hasn't closed any deal yet but he sure enough has violated or left from a few.