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KManX89 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Known pedophile?

I'm of course referring to Roy Moore. You know, the Alabama Republican Senate candidate who got kicked out of a shopping mall for preying on 14-year-old girls? 

Totes not guilty!

Good to know that slightly more than half of Alabama voters are against sexual assault and pedophilia. 

America really is fucked. -_-



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Less than 24 hours after the announcement, they're burning our flag and shouting for our deaths. Why would we want to put on a facade of peace with these people?



And once again the US makes the world a FAR more dangerous place so their corrupt government can justify pouring hundreds of billions into the weapons industry per year. Good job!

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JudasKiss said:
Less than 24 hours after the announcement, they're burning our flag and shouting for our deaths. Why would we want to put on a facade of peace with these people?

It's better to make peace than war. What do you want, having Iran nuked? Ever thought about the innocents who would get caught in the blasts? You wanna see children burned just because they're living in Iran?



The one and ONLY reason Trump backed out of this deal is because Obama helped create it and everyone told him it was a bad idea to back out. He's the jealous child who hates to be told not to do something.



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StuOhQ said:
The one and ONLY reason Trump backed out of this deal is because Obama helped create it and everyone told him it was a bad idea to back out. He's the jealous child who hates to be told not to do something.

What he said.

 

Impeach this brainless fascist before he gets us all killed. How many times do I have to say this?



JRPGfan said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Good deal on Trumps part. I applaud the decision.

Next year if they have Nuclear weapons, then dont bitch about it, and remember Trump is the reason why.

No, You can than Obama for giving them millions.Just lie you can than all the other presidents for NK getting nukes. Trump is the reason they will get rid of them.



CaptainExplosion said:
JudasKiss said:
Less than 24 hours after the announcement, they're burning our flag and shouting for our deaths. Why would we want to put on a facade of peace with these people?

It's better to make peace than war. What do you want, having Iran nuked? Ever thought about the innocents who would get caught in the blasts? You wanna see children burned just because they're living in Iran?

Peace was a facade. Just lie NK wasnt supposed to be developing nukes. 



LiquorandGunFun said:
SpokenTruth said:

I hope you're not trying to equate hostage release with a nuclear non-proliferation treaty and the end of the war on the Korean peninsula.

It happened after the Iran deal. The meeting is still on with NK and Trump. Looks like it will be fine. NK will do what China tells them to do.

 

Also your friends in Iran are quickly back to burning flags and chanting death to america, like they have been, before the deal. after the deal, and after the deal was dead. sarcastic: how my heart bleeds for them.

 

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What do you expect? They're basically "We had a deal! We followed it, we stopped everything, sold off materials and dismantled production capacities (97% of the enriched Plutonium; the 3% that's left are enough for a civilian test reactor, but not for an atomic bomb, 4 out of 5 of the generators and about 60% of the enrichers capacity (those are huge and take a very long time to dismantle both due to their size and due to radioactive contamination of the steel, hence why only 60% by now)), had scientists and UN check every month whenever they wanted (and yeah, the news about Iran not letting them check the facilities where from before the deal!) and they still cancel the deal and want to impose heavy restrictions? Fuck them traitors!"

Trump is basically achieving the contrary of what he wanted. The Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, is a very progressive and moderate one. Part of his presidential pitch was to improve relations with the west - but with Trump unilaterally canceling the deal you can be dead sure this plan is now dead and buried (other things he did was to improve the rights of women and the individual freedom of everybody in Iran, free access to information and supports the rights of ethnic minorities in Iran. If that sounds evil to you, I don't want to know what's not evil for you). But this decision will be the perfect fuel for hardliners and extremists. Trumps decision probably crushed the dreams of all the moderates and progressive people in the country and probably has added several thousands of extremists and terrorists to some groups just in retaliation to "the untrustworthy westerners". Because for them after this, we are traitors and cheaters and holding Iran down not for good reasons, but out of spite. Hassan's successors will most probably be conservative hardliners since they can market this decision the best for them in the next elections, and all the progress he achieved in human rights will probably be lost under them. Nice job breaking it, Mr. President!

You can also be dead sure that they will not accept another agreement anytime soon. I mean, who would accept an agreement after getting cheated out of their previous one? They won't trust the west playing by the rules after this and thus surely won't play by the rules either anymore.



Machiavellian said:

What doesn't make sense is that you are going into negotiations with another nuke capable country and you violate another treaty with another country at the same time. Weather you are for or against the US pulling out of the Iran deal, does it not seem stupid to make a decision like this when you will be looking to do something very similar with NK.

Here is the other stupid part. So the US pulls out of the Iran deal but without the other countries doing the same. Next, Trump administration says the will impose the most restrictive sanctions on Iran every. The dumb part is that we do not do any business with Iran. The US can sanction the crap out of Iran and it means absolutely nothing if the rest of the world is not also doing the same. Since Trump did not use his great negotiations skills to convince the EU, China and the rest to follow his lead, basically we just swinging in the wind.  The other nations will continue to deal with Iran as usual and our sanctions will be just some stupid political talking point for Trump with no meat.

So basically the US just pulled out of another deal and the rest of the world just moves on without us. Pretty soon the US say in international affairs will be nothing. Instead of leading we will be this nice isolated country with this large military where the rest of the world ignores us.

My opinion about is leaving the Iran deal is more on timing and not getting support from the rest of the world then the US actually pulling out. It just seems that the rest of the world will ignore this administration and look to another big power like China to get things done instead of the US. Our leadership abroad will erode as it has been. Long standing allies will not trust this administration word on anything and other countries that look at us as treats will be less likely to go into any deal believe that at a whim we will pull out or want to change the terms. This is how Trump ran his businesses but if anyone believe that is how you run a nation, you will see there are ver big consequences to that approach.

Is it really possible for the rest of the world continuing the deal without the US? Because if so, then Trump has achieved nothing at all apart from pissing off Iranians about the US.

With Trump leaving all those international treaties the main impact it has to the US is diminishing their influence and trust all across the world.