Trump pulls out of Iran nuclear agreement

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thismeintiel said:

setsunatenshi said:

#1 the assets were Iran's, period. 

#2 Iran has followed the agreement to the letter. An agreement that meant losing the barganing chip of a nuclear program. 

#3 the current US president unilaterally decided to terminate the agreement. this was not caused by iran or any other 3rd party. it was exclusively trump's decision with absolutely no justification

#4 there's nothing in the agreement about any pinky promisses. international independent scientists have confirmed over and over again that no nuclear program is in place

#5 a uranium enrichment program is not something you can hide easily. the IAEA scientists would report any questionnable behavior if this was to happen. and finally,

#6 iran has now no incentive to abide by the agreement and stop the nuclear program from going forward. the agreement we had was pretty much the best possible one. nothing short of an all out war could prevent them from achieving their goal. and if this happens you can 100% blame that orange retard. the world better cross their fingers it will never go that far because this could really be the start of ww3. and this time the US would be on the wrong side

#1: So?  Are you saying that I should be able to make money, whether it be from ill-gotten gains or not, and use it to terrorize you and your family, without any repercussions whatsoever?  Just because those funds were technically mine to begin with?

#2: Sure...

#3: That's funny, I don't recall the representatives of the people being allowed to vote on this deal in the first place.  But, I guess when it was Obama deciding things, it doesn't matter if the people get a say.

#4:  Yes.  In the specific places they are allowed to inspect.  Weeks/months after they announce they wish to inspect them.  Great system there. /s

#5:  I guess its a good thing for Iran that the inspectors can only go where Iran wants them to, huh?

#6:  The agreement was the best possible one for Iran.  They have access to all of their assets, now.  Inspectors only get to look at certain locations, when Iran says its okay to do so, which apparently is good enough for naive people to fully accept that Iran is abiding by the deal.  War was/is/will be the only thing to truly stop them.  They are the #1 sponsor of terrorism, after all.  And now with more assets, they can continue to do so more easily.

1. How about we take away your money and see if you're happy. Really, when did Iran terrorise anybody since Hassan took office?

2. UN, several European secret services, NSA and DOD all saying Iran is complying. But let's take the word of a notorious compulsive liar over all of them.

3.Well, it got debated and adapted  for 4 years starting the negotiations in Geneva 2009 between all the signatories of the treaty (the P5+1, being the  permanent UN members + Germany; Germany is on board because the nuclear tech in Iran is german, which stems from Germany being one of Irans biggest trade partners) minus Iran itself , who could only accept or reject it. Trump didn't, he just pulled the plug. Anouncing to do something and discussing it between some group of people to reach a consensus ain't the same thing.

4. They can inspect everything whenever they want to, what you are alluding to is the situation before the treaty - and now certainly also after the treaty unless the rest of the world continues without the US

5. Even then, enrichment facilities are huge and can't be hidden because of pretty distinct shapes. The world would know if they would be doing it from satellite imagery alone. The one underground facility is open to public since it has since become a private research facility for exploration of stable transuranium isotopes. Building a new one would be taking very long and obvious with nowadays satellite technology (tons of trucks driving out a mountain is obvious on the imagery nowadays, not so much 20 years ago when the cameras where much weaker)

6. Iran could keep part of the facilities and lost all the sanctions. I agree it was a good deal for them, but that's also part of the point: Why would they want to risk that deal by not fully collaborating with the west? Hence why inspectors can come and go now whenever they want to. But with the US withdrawing and putting back their sanctions, there's no reason anymore for Iran to comply as the US sanctions where the largest of the bunch.

Sanctions, btw, can be very counterproductive at times. When the great recession hit the world in 1929, nobody was trading with the soviets who as a result didn't got hit at all by the crisis. Iran was in a similar position in 2008, and most of the goods Iran traded for before the sanctions are getting replaced with some produced in Iran, lessening the effect of sanctions along the way.