Trump pulls out of Iran nuclear agreement

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fatslob-:O said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. How about we take away your money and see if you're happy. Really, when did Iran terrorise anybody since Hassan took office?

2. UN, several European secret services, NSA and DOD all saying Iran is complying. But let's take the word of a notorious compulsive liar over all of them.

3.Well, it got debated and adapted  for 4 years starting the negotiations in Geneva 2009 between all the signatories of the treaty (the P5+1, being the  permanent UN members + Germany; Germany is on board because the nuclear tech in Iran is german, which stems from Germany being one of Irans biggest trade partners) minus Iran itself , who could only accept or reject it. Trump didn't, he just pulled the plug. Anouncing to do something and discussing it between some group of people to reach a consensus ain't the same thing.

4. They can inspect everything whenever they want to, what you are alluding to is the situation before the treaty - and now certainly also after the treaty unless the rest of the world continues without the US

5. Even then, enrichment facilities are huge and can't be hidden because of pretty distinct shapes. The world would know if they would be doing it from satellite imagery alone. The one underground facility is open to public since it has since become a private research facility for exploration of stable transuranium isotopes. Building a new one would be taking very long and obvious with nowadays satellite technology (tons of trucks driving out a mountain is obvious on the imagery nowadays, not so much 20 years ago when the cameras where much weaker)

6. Iran could keep part of the facilities and lost all the sanctions. I agree it was a good deal for them, but that's also part of the point: Why would they want to risk that deal by not fully collaborating with the west? Hence why inspectors can come and go now whenever they want to. But with the US withdrawing and putting back their sanctions, there's no reason anymore for Iran to comply as the US sanctions where the largest of the bunch.

Sanctions, btw, can be very counterproductive at times. When the great recession hit the world in 1929, nobody was trading with the soviets who as a result didn't got hit at all by the crisis. Iran was in a similar position in 2008, and most of the goods Iran traded for before the sanctions are getting replaced with some produced in Iran, lessening the effect of sanctions along the way.

@Bold Trump still raised a good point regardless but what other evidence do these organizations you mentioned have to show or are they making this claim based off of IAEA inspection's ? If it's the latter then their claims are not very helpful in this situation since it comes back down in circles with the one remaining flaw that IAEA's verification only holds true that 'x' place is in compliance with the deal ... 

They most certainly cannot perform inspections on everything and whenever they want but it especially applies to military bases to according to Iran ... (a pretty massive loophole in the deal if you ask anybody) 

Given that Iran has a history of been on the edge, we can't continue to take Iran's claims lightly without a robust access for inspections. The fact that you pointed out that Iran once hid a nuclear enrichment facility under a mountain is cause for concern and sets a precedent that we should perform inspections on designated military areas with underground bases since Iran DOES have the capability to hide potential facilities that could potentially be used to create nuclear weapons so satellite imaging won't totally help with indentifying that ... (Trump asking for a rewrite at least for underground bases is reasonable and Iran is just getting butthurt over it like they did during that time when they were pressured by the UN for IAEA accessing Parchin)

Except Trump didn't, he just cancelled the deal without discussing this with the other signatories. If he really would have wanted a rewrite he would have discussed this long before the deadline, but he didn't.

LiquorandGunFun said:

Aeolus451 said:
That's alot of pages of hysteria. *shrugs

At this rate, Trump will definitely be president again in spite of all boohooing.

LOL i know right!

 

all the neville chamberlains in full defense of iran.

Trump will win re-election, the left will cry, again.

Trump will continue to Make America Great. again the left cries.

Trump will continue to be Trump and not apart of the Washington establishment, just check twitter, they haven't banned Trump yet but they already have been silencing conservative speech.  I dont use or care about Twitter but I am not surprised either.

Trump has relieved the American people from the horrible Obamacare mandate. I paid my last penalty this year as I refused to comply.

Trump is the reason taxes were lowered and the boot of the government taken a lot of pressure off the american tax payers neck.

Trump is residing over the lowest unemployment numbers in decades. 3.5 million jobs created.

Trump has dealt tough with NK and China, now 3 hostages were released, without a pallet of tax payer money btw.

The more Trump is attacked, the more it galvanizes his support. With %91 bad coverage from the MSM, the fake scandals, the man is at %51 approval, and its higher than that, trust me.

Trump has warned Iran. and there is no imaginary red line.

Trump is and will be, President of the United States for another 6 years.

1. In case you didn't know, Neville Chamberlain was playing on time because Europe basically became a demilitarized zone and there wouldn't have been a chance to face the Germans with the aged equipment they had. He didn't believe the Germans would comply (though he was hoping it), he was just buying time for France and UK to rearm themselves.

2. He has not won yet

3. Great what? Because I have yet to see a decision that didn't trifle with the economy in bad ways. What he's doing is burdening the presidents to come in increasingly hard ways.

@bolded: Any proof of that? I'm not using Twitter at all, so I don't know what's going on there or not.

4. I will never understand why americans don't want cheap healthcare, butI'll try to understand as best I can. So can you please elaborate why exactly you didn't like the affordable health care act?

5. The tax cuts are only temporary for most, in 3 years most people will already have to pay more taxes than before the tax cut. Only the persons with more than 75k a year in income will have a permanent spendings cut. And like I said under point 3, what he achieved there is mostly burdening a budget even more than it already was (by around 1.45 trillion $ over 10 years, or 1 trillion taking into account the economic boost coming with a cut)

6. While that's true, it's not because anything Trump has done. It takes years for administrative decisions to take effect, hence you would need to congratulate Obama for that. If by 2020 the number of unemployed is still low and the amount of new jobs is still high, then we can congratulate Trump on a job well done, but right now nothing that he's done had an effect past margin of error yet.

7. True and well done. 1 point to the president.

8.Not just fake scandals, also very true ones. But yeah, he is the leader of the US in most every sense of the word right now.

9. And what can they do if complying ain't good enough?

10. See point 2.