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thismeintiel on 10 May 2018
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fatslob-:O said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. How about we take away your money and see if you're happy. Really, when did Iran terrorise anybody since Hassan took office?

2. UN, several European secret services, NSA and DOD all saying Iran is complying. But let's take the word of a notorious compulsive liar over all of them.

3.Well, it got debated and adapted  for 4 years starting the negotiations in Geneva 2009 between all the signatories of the treaty (the P5+1, being the  permanent UN members + Germany; Germany is on board because the nuclear tech in Iran is german, which stems from Germany being one of Irans biggest trade partners) minus Iran itself , who could only accept or reject it. Trump didn't, he just pulled the plug. Anouncing to do something and discussing it between some group of people to reach a consensus ain't the same thing.

4. They can inspect everything whenever they want to, what you are alluding to is the situation before the treaty - and now certainly also after the treaty unless the rest of the world continues without the US

5. Even then, enrichment facilities are huge and can't be hidden because of pretty distinct shapes. The world would know if they would be doing it from satellite imagery alone. The one underground facility is open to public since it has since become a private research facility for exploration of stable transuranium isotopes. Building a new one would be taking very long and obvious with nowadays satellite technology (tons of trucks driving out a mountain is obvious on the imagery nowadays, not so much 20 years ago when the cameras where much weaker)

6. Iran could keep part of the facilities and lost all the sanctions. I agree it was a good deal for them, but that's also part of the point: Why would they want to risk that deal by not fully collaborating with the west? Hence why inspectors can come and go now whenever they want to. But with the US withdrawing and putting back their sanctions, there's no reason anymore for Iran to comply as the US sanctions where the largest of the bunch.

Sanctions, btw, can be very counterproductive at times. When the great recession hit the world in 1929, nobody was trading with the soviets who as a result didn't got hit at all by the crisis. Iran was in a similar position in 2008, and most of the goods Iran traded for before the sanctions are getting replaced with some produced in Iran, lessening the effect of sanctions along the way.

@Bold Trump still raised a good point regardless but what other evidence do these organizations you mentioned have to show or are they making this claim based off of IAEA inspection's ? If it's the latter then their claims are not very helpful in this situation since it comes back down in circles with the one remaining flaw that IAEA's verification only holds true that 'x' place is in compliance with the deal ... 

They most certainly cannot perform inspections on everything and whenever they want but it especially applies to military bases to according to Iran ... (a pretty massive loophole in the deal if you ask anybody) 

Given that Iran has a history of been on the edge, we can't continue to take Iran's claims lightly without a robust access for inspections. The fact that you pointed out that Iran once hid a nuclear enrichment facility under a mountain is cause for concern and sets a precedent that we should perform inspections on designated military areas with underground bases since Iran DOES have the capability to hide potential facilities that could potentially be used to create nuclear weapons so satellite imaging won't totally help with indentifying that ... (Trump asking for a rewrite at least for underground bases is reasonable and Iran is just getting butthurt over it like they did during that time when they were pressured by the UN for IAEA accessing Parchin)

This. Basically negates all of their points. Iran is not to be trusted. Especially while they openly call for the death of America and Israel.

Aeolus451 said: 
That's alot of pages of hysteria. *shrugs 

At this rate, Trump will definitely be president again in spite of all boohooing.

I'd say he will win. There are probably millions of people like me who couldn't bring themselves to vote for him the first time around. But, with the good job he's doing, and with the media basically forcing you to stand up for the guy, we will be voting for him in the coming election.