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numberwang said:

Hollywood are not sending their best

When was the original video posted? I can guarantee he would not get away with this stuff now. 



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Well what happen if the rapist brought a gun , and stick their Gun to the victim hole. Because we all know all men all caring their own gun



The growing popularity of porn is to blame for the rise in rape culture. Porn culture has lead to growth of Rape culture. Porn dehumanises women as being just objects, women are no longer regarded as humans because porn regards women as objects to satisfy men's desires. Behaviours and attitudes must change for a decrease in rape culture. More guns will only lead to more violent crimes committed by men.

Last edited by Dark_Lord_2008 - on 10 April 2018

There is no such thing as rape culture in the west, or any other civilized and democratic country. It is just a strong word created by some left wing feminists to attract attention. It is a crime that needs to be fighted by authorities and thats it. It is from the same people that think every man is a rapist in potential.



Jaicee said:

Since many of our members seem to have reached the disingenuous conclusion that there is no such thing as a rape-positive climate in the Western world, I have a few challenges for those individuals.

The first challenge is how you explain the fact that #MeToo originated in the United States. What was that a response to, would you say?

The second challenge is how you explain the fact that Donald Trump is my president right now, being as he won election shortly AFTER being caught on video boasting about sexually attacking women on a routine basis. Would you say that his election signaled public disapproval of such actions?

As a third challenge, how does one explain the testimony of the public itself concerning the commonality of sexual harassment and violence in America?  According to a recent, comprehensive national survey on the subject:

-81% of women and 43% of men surveyed say that they have experienced sexual harassment before.
-27% of women and 7% of men surveyed say that they been sexually attacked before (up from 18% and 2% respectively in the most similar survey from 2010).

I will add that both of those statistics include me personally.

In fact, wittingly or otherwise, you (any given individual) in all likelihood actively participate in rape-positive culture on a daily basis. Here's a particularly obvious example of how: demographically speaking, the average member of this message board consumes online pornography routinely. What are the social roles that one is thereby feeding their brains? The essential thing that one inescapably learns from pornography is that, supposedly, women derive pleasure from any and all dominant behavior that a man can possibly exhibit, up to and frequently including the violation of basic consent. Hell, even being mutilated in a sexual context is commonly portrayed as pleasurable for the female party or parties! You don't think that might have any cumulative impact on what sort of behavior one is willing to let slide in the real world?

My point is that the evidence of what many feminists refer to as rape-positive culture is right in front of your faces! It's frankly hard to miss. One has to try to miss it anymore. The fact that there are more extreme expressions thereof to be found in some other countries (such as the fact that women who speak out against sexual harassment and violence  are actively censored in China, for instance) does not preclude this reality or render it okay in my mind. I regard the "Third World women have it worse, so you can't complain" line of argument to be an opportunistic one used predominantly by First World men to strategically divide women against each other so that we do not think about inconvenient things like what we have in common and the shared source of these oppressions.

From "rape culture" to "rape positive culture". This terracing makes it evident, it is you people who are the real trivializer. You practically stuff everything into this word you chose to dramatize and sensationalize.

 

When i look at a scantily clad woman walking on the  street, im practically part of rape culture. When i enjoy hardcore porn... rape culture. When i go clubbing and have a ONS... rape culture. When i insult a female... rape culture. When i will play the next Soul Calibur... rape culture. 

 

Do me a favor, watch the linked video and know what a "rape culture" looks like. There is no nuancing and no debating, because it is what it is.

 

https://youtu.be/NMp2wm0VMUs

 

And you wonder why "many of our members seem to have reached the disingenuous conclusion".



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The growing popularity of porn is to blame for the rise in rape culture. Porn culture has lead to growth of Rape culture. Porn dehumanises women as being just objects, women are no longer regarded as humans because porn regards women as objects to satisfy men's desires. Behaviours and attitudes must change for a decrease in rape culture. More guns will only lead to more violent crimes committed by men.

Men have always acted this way. Way before Porn became popular.   



In places like the US rape does happen but it is not as prevalent as some places like India as OP mentioned. There asking a women to carry a gun may be more beneficial but that raised other issues like training and trust. We don't want guys getting shot and then having a female falsely claiming she was being raped.
Pushing that aside, the guns would not help here because most of the rape here in America actually affects minors and is usually done by a family member.

The point that this brings up that no matter what we wanted the guns for, it was going to be a band-aid for a deeper issue period. We can't act like guys simply can't help themselves and therefore they come for you like zombies.

I don't have enough information about someplace like India, but to me it sounds like they have a real 'rape culture' there. This is a societal issue that a gun isn't going to solve. As in, if you have mass rape going on, it means you have real societal issues from the jump.

In America, we don't have that kind of 'rape culture' but we have a HUGE incest rape problem here. I don't even know where to start with that but guns again will only cover up a much deeper issues here.

You can't bring up something like rape and then pretend that guns are going to fix a deeply rooted societal issue like that. This requires actually mental health intervention.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The growing popularity of porn is to blame for the rise in rape culture. Porn culture has lead to growth of Rape culture. Porn dehumanises women as being just objects, women are no longer regarded as humans because porn regards women as objects to satisfy men's desires. Behaviours and attitudes must change for a decrease in rape culture. More guns will only lead to more violent crimes committed by men.

That's not based on reality and you're willfully spreading misinformation for politics. All this kind of bullshit does is widens the division between people. There's no link between those two to substantiate your conclusion. Where are you talking about?



EnricoPallazzo said:
There is no such thing as rape culture in the west, or any other civilized and democratic country. It is just a strong word created by some left wing feminists to attract attention. It is a crime that needs to be fighted by authorities and thats it. It is from the same people that think every man is a rapist in potential.

Well, everyone has the potential to be a rapist, unless they are physically incapable of doing so.





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