To soon 2020 is the earliest I can see PS5.

PS and XB sticking with x86, or something highly compatible with it, is highly likely. The rumor about using their own tech, which is BC with everything, especially PS3, made me think upgrading cell and having emulators or something for PS1, PS2, and PS4 running on it. Unless the dev tools were made that much more user friendly, something like what Nvidia and Nin did with Switch I guess you could say, I don't see this happening. I really don't see it happening regardless.

I almost wonder if AMD's 'next gen' GPU arch is in your face code for next gen consoles. Since it's supposed to be out before the end of 2020, a date many agree is perfect for a PS5 launch, and some would argue 'XB2', is not all that far fetched. It at least would be ready for 2021 at the latest. I also wonder with Pro having some Vega baked in, yet XB1X doesn't, maybe just maybe, a PS4 Premium with full Vega tech makes sense, since in 3 or 4 years XB would plan to jump to next gen with 'XB2' and use the 'Navi' or 'next gen' arch.

Cerny did say 8TF for proper native 4k, so even though you mentioned 10TF, which may be possible, I think they would go with 8-8.5TF so that the jump to PS5 was at least double as well, if not more. I'm pretty sure TSMC has 12nm right now and is close with 7nm, so a 2.6-2.8Ghz Jaguar and an 8.4TF Vega APU should be no problem. Add a 4k BD drive and you've got yourself a 2019 PS4 Premium.

The longer PS4 can stay in play and stay relevant, the more market share and money PS makes, and the PS5 ends up using more advanced upcoming tech when it launches as well.

Nvidia '20' series is most likely going to crush AMD anyway, but Vega on 7nm should at least give AMD a chance. I myself don't see the next console, PS5 or PS4 Premium or whatever, having a massive jump in GPU specs. The CPU however should be like jumping the Grand Canyon. I think PS5 could get away with a 6 core Ryzen (+,2,+,3), in terms of future proofing, but I would assume they stick with 8 cores if physically possible to allow for lower clocks and also marketing since PS4 is 8 as well. I think the XB1X APU die is 360mm2 on 16nm and Raven Ridge is only 210mm2 on 14nm, so there is definitely more room for more cores/CU's, and if they use 7nm that's even better. PS4 Pro already has some Vega baked in as well, while XB1X does not, so I wonder if that had anything to do with the next console on deck.

Man, you can interpret it as you want to, but "and in a quite a few regards, the 360 also beat the PS3" does in no way, shape or form mean that it has to be about sales.

But maybe you missed the rest of my post, because that wasn't really particularly important - the Wii won the 7th gen, despite the PS2 dominating the 6th. And the Wii U completely bombed despite being the follow up to the hugely succesful Wii. Thus showing that consoles buyers are rather prone to switching platforms.

I really don't get what you are on about. I'd think you've seen me enough around the forums to know that I'm mainly a PS guy. I'm not trying to downplay Sony's achievements, but let's be realistic. The PS3 was a colossal financial failure. The only reason Sony edged out the 360 was because they ate massive losses for several years.

hmmm. okay.  I don't know if you are ignoring it on purpose but there are people here saying 2020 is a good launch for the PS because PS4 is still selling well. Ignoring that MS can launch a new box in 2019. I am not arguing about the release date. I am arguing that MS can release it on 2019 and I showed some evidence that 3rd party devs are visiting MS and this late in this gen. It's very likely Capcom and Sega are visting not because of Xbone but rather the next box.  So one last time. It's not the release date is what I am arguing but the reason.

So again if MS decided to release the new box next year Sony will follow suit and it doesn't matter if PS4 is still selling well  or it doesn't matter if it's this year or the next or 2020 (which a lot of people here s hoping for) because IMO Sony will not allow MS to have a 1 year head start again.

We are on a different market now. Time has changed. Xbox is a strong brand now. PS strongest competitor. 
We have the COD games now, Assassin's creed and Battlefield. Imagined the next box releasing with those 3. 
And your last bit imagined the new Xbox releasing with all those things you mentioned and with a headstart. Do you think MS will not be aggressive knowing that they don't have any competition? Maybe you are underestimating the marketing power of MS and do you think MS didn't learn it's lesson from Xbone? If Sony gave them that advantage then they are just giving the MS a free ride for the whole year with no competition and building it's fanbase. 

and Do you think the COD fanbase will switch to PS5 if it is release a year after? You are underestimating the effect of that game and the peer pressure from that fanbase. 
Do you think if PS5 launch MS will not use the Price drop strategy for it's xbox to steal thunder for PS5? 
IMO Sony will not give any sort of advantage to MS. They learn their lesson with the PS3 and to some extend PS4. 

I don't think Sony has anything to worry about if Microsoft rushes out XBOX TWO in 2019. Do you think developers are really going to make games that take advantage of XBT if it is the only console? I don't even think devs will make Games for PS5/XBT for a year or two or three after both have released. It will be another few years of cross platform titles just like we saw with this generation. PS4 and XBO will very likely continue to be heavily supported for the first few years, with direct ports of PS5 and XBT titles.

The only thing that I think would have any effect on swaying people to a year early XBT would be 1st party, and with what we have seen from MS this gen I don't see any way that they will have a 1st party lineup that is strong enough to shift the focus.

Also, launching a year late with a popular business model would be a totally different ball game than the PS3. If MS rushes their box out on 12nm chips with a HDD, and Sony wait a year and get 7nm+ chip and NVMe at the same price, PS5 could blow XBT away.

It is a tough game to play right now. Both for Sony trying to maintain and expand dominance, and for Microsoft trying to take back marketshare. I think MS has the much tougher posistion, but Sony could once again stubmle over their own feet. One thing for sure, this has been, and will continue to be exciting times in console hardware. I am enjoying every minute of it.

According to Glofo's Chief Technical Officer, Gary Patton, 7nm will bring a 2.7 ratio of space savings, which is huge. Couple that with better clocks and power consumption, and waiting for 7nm is a no brainer.

But I disagree with you about the sump in GPU specs. When this gen started, there were a lot of complains because of the lack of a noticeable visual upgrade, and they can't really afford that again. Also, because of the Pro scalling and the XboxOne X offering 4K games, that moniker won't be enough to sell the next consoles and could bring the "why they don't launch this game on PS4 at FullHD instead of 4K?" kind of questions that nobody wants. Nah, it will have to pack some power.

its an 8 month old rumor why are people discussing abt this! Am I missing something?

Exactly. If MS launches early, they are going to piss off everyone who bought a X. We also have seen that MS isn't treating Xbox like a main priority anymore. There isn't going to be massive 1st party output next gen. At least nothing compared to Sony's.  And you can guarantee that Sony is going to take advantage of the year later launch, with better specs at the same price. Add in B/C with PS4, with Pro enhancements, and you can bet a lot of PS4 gamers are going to stick with PS. Really, history has proven that all Sony has to do is not screw up, like they did with the PS3 launch, and they win big. PS is just that big of a brand WW.

Having said that, I expect Sony is aiming for a late 2019 launch, with Xbox again scrambling to match that date, or they launch 6-12 months later. 2019 just makes the most sense. 6 years, which is a good length for a gen. 25th Anniversary of the PS brand (limited edition 25th anniversary SKU at launch, possibly with PS1 coloring, and the S in PS5 looks like a backwards 2.) Pro, their mid-gen console, released 3 years after the PS4, and PS5 would launch 3 years after it. I think we're looking at a $399-$449 price, with a slightly customized Ryzen/Vega APU that's roughly 2x the power of the X. If so, the 5, but even more so the Pro, is going to be an absolute beast. 

And even with them being aggressive, they still came in 3rd. MS has never won a gen, nor will it. It took Sony fucking up majorly for them to take that close 3rd. That's just how big the PS brand is. How likely is it that Sony fucks up that big again? They would have to come out a year later, which in itself doesn't matter, with only slightly more powerful HW and a launch price $200 more than MS, but 3rd party games looking worse for a year or so due to complicated HW, to screw up that big, again.

Also, it's pretty obvious that MS doesn't care about Xbox like they did in the 360 days, so they aren't going to be paying millions to gobble up exclusives and marketing rights. Maybe the first year, but once it becomes clear that the PS5 is selling very well, the price to keep things off of PS goes up incredibly. Besides, it didn't help them stay ahead last gen, and it isn't going to help much next gen with Sony firing, once again, on all cylinders. I mean worst case scenario, the PS5 is slightly less powerful, but costs the same as the XB2, and a couple big games come out first on the XB2. That's not going to hurt its sales at all.

As for COD, it became very clear that the audience was split pretty close to 50/50 later in the gen, with NA being skewed 360 and EU/Japan skewing PS3, so exclusive marketing rights and early DLC isn't that big a factor. Of course, we'll also see if MS wants to continue paying for them as the price to do so rises. 

lol. They are yet to release PS4 Pro slim.

Why would they release PS5, just for native 4K ? X is not even selling good for them to even counter it with a newer console. Sounds terrible idea also BW for PS3, PS2 is unlikely.