UPDATE: RUMOR: PS5 Dev Kits Sent Out This Year. Launch 2019. BC With PS1/PS2/PS3. Sony acquires Silent Hill. Blade Runner PS5 Game At PSX. And More.

[EricHiggin]

KBG29 said:

Definitly. If PS5 is coming in 2020 then PS4 Premium is pointless, but if they are looking to stretch it to 2021 or 2022, then PS4 Premium in 2019 should be just fine. 

I would like to say that Sony would not be ignorant enough to break their ecosystem with bad hardware decisions, but I won't put it past them. Hopefully Cerny will keep them on track. Like I said, I think Zen 3 and Next Gen are the perfect time for PS5. Ryzen should be here for a long while, and building around AMD's Next Gen GPU tech seems like a no brainer plan. That offers easy B/C, and allows memory and storage tech to match the processing advancements, which should allow them to build a very well balanced architecture for the PS5 family of devices.

derpysquirtle64 said: 

KBG29 said: 

I still think a full 4K PS4 Premium in 2019 is the way to go. Then deliver a true next gen PS5 in 2022.

PS4 Premium can offer 10TFLOPs GPU and a 3.0GHz Jaguar chip with no problem. Add in 16GB of RAM and an SSHD, and you will have a perfect XBO X besting option within the ecosystem.

Why do you want that PS4 Premium thing so bad? Is it really needed? PS5 won't look as a huge improvement over it if it comes in 2020 or 2021. So, it looks pointless if Sony doesn't want to pro-long PS4 life-span until 2023 and launch PS5 then.

PS and XB sticking with x86, or something highly compatible with it, is highly likely. The rumor about using their own tech, which is BC with everything, especially PS3, made me think upgrading cell and having emulators or something for PS1, PS2, and PS4 running on it. Unless the dev tools were made that much more user friendly, something like what Nvidia and Nin did with Switch I guess you could say, I don't see this happening. I really don't see it happening regardless.

I almost wonder if AMD's 'next gen' GPU arch is in your face code for next gen consoles. Since it's supposed to be out before the end of 2020, a date many agree is perfect for a PS5 launch, and some would argue 'XB2', is not all that far fetched. It at least would be ready for 2021 at the latest. I also wonder with Pro having some Vega baked in, yet XB1X doesn't, maybe just maybe, a PS4 Premium with full Vega tech makes sense, since in 3 or 4 years XB would plan to jump to next gen with 'XB2' and use the 'Navi' or 'next gen' arch.

Cerny did say 8TF for proper native 4k, so even though you mentioned 10TF, which may be possible, I think they would go with 8-8.5TF so that the jump to PS5 was at least double as well, if not more. I'm pretty sure TSMC has 12nm right now and is close with 7nm, so a 2.6-2.8Ghz Jaguar and an 8.4TF Vega APU should be no problem. Add a 4k BD drive and you've got yourself a 2019 PS4 Premium.

The longer PS4 can stay in play and stay relevant, the more market share and money PS makes, and the PS5 ends up using more advanced upcoming tech when it launches as well.

JEMC said:

EricHiggin said:

Pretty sure Vega is going straight from 14nm to 7nm. Last I remember reading, sampling in late 2018, so probably early-mid 2019 launch for those cards. 'Navi' and 'next gen' are both supposed to be out before the end of 2020 apparently, but AMD seems to be running a little behind so. Considering Ryzen 2 (7nm) is lined up for sometime in 2019, more than likely first half of the year like Ryzen (14nm) and Ryzen+ (12nm), both CPU and GPU would be available for a PS5 sometime in 2019 (most likely later). Having 7nm APU's ready by then shouldn't be a problem either.

This doesn't mean PS5 would be coming 2019 necessarily, but it more than likely could if they wanted it to. Depending on the other hardware and it's prices and availability, could put a delay on the launch if they are assuming sales like PS4. If the price was $500 though, they shouldn't need to worry quite as much about early inventory.

Now that you mention it, I remember the slides claiming Vega on 7nm and claiming it would launch this year. And it makes sense because AMD can't leave Vega at 14nm against whatever Nvidia launches in July (or whenever they do).

But I'm not sure Vega would be a jump big enough compared to the hardware they're using now to warrant a new console. But I thought the same about PS4Pro and Polaris and they did it anyway so everything is possible.

As for the CPU, I wouldn't worry too much. Even a 4 or 6 core Zen processor would destroy those Jaguar chips, so they don't really need to wait for Zen+ or Zen2, but only for the appropiate node. That they'll be able to use a better arch. is just a nice bonus.

The biggest problem will be mixing both things into a single APU. Even Raven Ridge features up to 11 Vega cores, and the Vega 56 has ... well, 56. That's a lot to cramp together while using a new node. So yeah, late 2019 or early 2020 would be much more likely than early 2019.

Plus it would give devs more time to finish their current PS4 projects and start the ones for the new machine.

Nvidia '20' series is most likely going to crush AMD anyway, but Vega on 7nm should at least give AMD a chance. I myself don't see the next console, PS5 or PS4 Premium or whatever, having a massive jump in GPU specs. The CPU however should be like jumping the Grand Canyon. I think PS5 could get away with a 6 core Ryzen (+,2,+,3), in terms of future proofing, but I would assume they stick with 8 cores if physically possible to allow for lower clocks and also marketing since PS4 is 8 as well. I think the XB1X APU die is 360mm2 on 16nm and Raven Ridge is only 210mm2 on 14nm, so there is definitely more room for more cores/CU's, and if they use 7nm that's even better. PS4 Pro already has some Vega baked in as well, while XB1X does not, so I wonder if that had anything to do with the next console on deck.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 09 March 2018