Pigs arse.

Why do you think that?

The Playstation 3 emulator is better than the Xbox 360 emulator.
Apparently the complexity of the Cell isn't a hindrance.

Citation needed.

12/10/7nm processes are ramping up, GDDR6 is gaining traction, Ryzen refresh is dropping.

Semi-Custom is more plausible, that is where they take an already established design and make a few adjustments to suit their needs.

But you are entirely correct in asserting that the business sense in building your own custom processors from the ground up is just not there anymore, heck it wasn't there with the Playstation 3, they are just far to large, complex and expensive now.

The chips wouldn't have to be 7nm. Or even in the same ball park as the final Playstation 5 console in terms of capability.
They just need to present a platform that will give developers an idea of what the ecosystem might entail, from there games and the software stack can be tooled up or downwards over time.

Are you sure Jaguar can clock up to 3ghz with no problem?

Not should. Will. AMD doesn't have a choice in the matter.
I mean, AMD Bulldozer micro-architecture was a colossal failure, but they couldn't release a replacement the next year could they?
Rather, they had to adhere to their already established development plan whilst Ryzen was cooking.

Same goes for Ryzen, it's here for at-least the next half decade whether we like it or not, AMD will of course do improvements... Which AMD also did with Bulldozer aka. Piledriver, then Steamroller, then Excavator.

Ryzen without a doubt is here for a long time.

Yeah. Not hard to obliterate Jaguar.
Jaguar was AMD's worst CPU at a time when their entire lineup of CPU's were terrible... So that just puts it into perspective.

I am hoping for at-least 8+ threads though, mostly so that would hopefully translate to better CPU utilization on the PC.

Who says they are supposed to?

It's not just huge, it's massive. It should provide us with a more significant jump than what we saw from the move from 28nm to 16/14nm. (Which were based on 20nm.)

It should also allow AMD to bring Ryzens clocks up with some luck.

They wouldn't be sticking with it because of compatibility though, they would be sticking with it because of price/performance/power consumption/convenience.

That rhetoric is obviously dumbed down. It is not a requirement for proper native 4k.
You could have 1,000 Teraflops and not achieve 480P if you don't have say... The ROPS or Bandwidth to feed that shit.

You do realize it's not actually true 12nm right?

AMD actually needs to activate features like it's draw stream binning rasterizer and not relegate Primitive Shaders to a dev-opt in scheme.
7nm will likely allow AMD to do two things with Vega... Drastically increase the chip size (I.E. More functional units) or significantly increase clocks.

So with that in mind, nVidia will likely retain it's edge.

Jaguar cores are tiny. Like a couple mm2 tops at 14nm.

Well, I could see them using another kind of CPU, maybe ARM, but the GPU I think is a must.

More importantly MS made sure to keep the entry point $200 lower than the PS3's for about half of the gen.  The 360 models launched for $299 and $399, while the PS3 launched at $499 and $599. So, even the upper models were $200 apart. By the time PS3 was able to be dropped to $399, MS answered with a $199 SKU in less than a year. 

It would be like if the PS4 launched at $399, while XBO launched at $599.  Unfortunately for MS, the Xbox brand isn't strong enough to withstand that kind of blow, and it would have destroyed it completely. 

I don't disagree that certain gamers were unhappy with the specs of the PS4, but the problem is the majority, because they were more than happy with the $399 price point. PS5 can use nothing but the highest end AMD chips, but that's useless if it leads to the console costing $2,000. How much cheaper PS can get parts from AMD is one thing, and how much the majority of gamers are willing to pay is another. On top of that, how much is PS willing to subsidize if they spec the console too high, or if the sales are too weak/slow? If PS is going full bore into next gen delivering a worthwhile jump, then waiting as long as possible to launch PS5 would make the most sense, and a 2019 launch would be pretty unlikely in that case.

Compatibility has it's place with all of those as well. A compatible PS5 would most certainly be convenient.

Well in relation to my point about a PS4 Premium, making it as capable as possible in 2019 would just make a worthwhile and affordable jump to a PS5 much much harder. It would also push PS to delay launching a PS5 even further.

Yes, a more refined version of their 16nm, to be slightly more specific.

Retaining their edge maybe a better way of putting it.

3mm2 at 28nm apparently? More cores for Jaguar was a more simple decision no doubt. Raven Ridge is fairly impressive at the moment, but 2 more cores should do it, and 4 more would be great since Ryzen 6 core chips are really 8 core with 2 disabled I believe. I guess if 7nm allows AMD to crank the clocks up on Ryzen with acceptable temps, a quad core might be future proof enough for 60fps, more often than not. Depends if they shoot for 30 or 60fps, and how often they want games actually hitting/locked at 60.

I agree on your reasoning. Makes the most sense imho...also Sony can’t afford to relax and wait. They need to stay in front, need to make the next move. That doesn’t mean PS4 won’t be selling anymore or won’t get any games. It’s possible Sony will fade out the slim at some point, but I’m not sure this will happen. We all know Sony does support its consoles for along time, even if the next gen is already out.

PS5 at 25th anniversary would be a fitting present.

Oh, yea, they'll definitely support PS4 til at least 2022.  I'd expect by 2019/20, it'll be $149, so it's definitely going to still be selling well, too.  Those numbers will also be pushed by a Pro that will eventually drop to $249.  And while I think Sony could definitely afford to launch after the XB2, I don't think they'll want to.

Yea, it would be a great present, lol.  Like I said, that advertising writes itself.  PS5, but spelled with a backwards 2.

PS5 sounds like a catastrophic mistake. The industry does not need another excuse for massive budgets and projects that fail to break even. If Sony attempts to make something even more powerful, they will falter. This is not a good time to launch a new system but the support the existing one. PS4 could come to be the best Sony console ever if they support it right

There’s easily 3-4 years life left and the PS4 is already getting long in the tooth. Last gen was extraordinary long with 7 years. Before 5 was the rule. 6 would be perfectly fine for PS4...it’ll still get supported for some more years to come anyway.

At this point, I'm just going to say it will be flat out stupid for anyone to think the PS5 will come before 2020.

It makes absolutely zero sense that sony would do that. They have absolutely nothing to gain by doing something like that.

I mean outside fan wet dreams or conspiracy..... what tangible reason dows anyone have as to why they think sony will launch the PS5 in 2019? Why? They are the market leaders, and are yet to see a drop in yearly PS4 sales, oushing onto an install base of almost 100M, selling more software than ever before (which is where the money is)' know they don't have to worry about either of their competition till at least 2020 (MS just released the X1, they arent going to release another console in 2019 and its now obviois that the NS isn't taking away from PS sales).

So why would sony throw all that away and rush into a new gen?

I expwct the PS5 no sooner than 2020... could even be as late as 2021.

Totally agree with this,sony doesnt need to rush for next gen, i would be suprised if its even talkrd about next year,prob 2020 or even 2021.