| derpysquirtle64 said: PS5 won't look as a huge improvement over it if it comes in 2020 or 2021. |
Pigs arse.
| JEMC said: Also, to be fully compatible with PS4 games, it needs to be full AMD, both CPU and GPU |
Why do you think that?
| drkohler said: PS5 fully backward compatible with PS1...PS4? Forget that right away. Unlike Microsoft, Sony does not have the manpower to write such software (which is considerably more complex than the X360 bc software due to the Cell). |
The Playstation 3 emulator is better than the Xbox 360 emulator.
Apparently the complexity of the Cell isn't a hindrance.
| drkohler said: Also an 8core Zen+ is 65-95W. Good luck marrying this with a 10TF AMD gpu which draws another 200+W. |
Citation needed.
| Pachofilauri said: How do they expect to launch a system more powerful than the XB1X at a reasonable price in 1 year? Fake |
12/10/7nm processes are ramping up, GDDR6 is gaining traction, Ryzen refresh is dropping.
| Ljink96 said: Custom architecture...what? No, no. Those days are over. And all of a sudden Sony can make a more efficient, very cheap, 4k capable device without AMD or Nvidia, with mandatory 60fps, up to 120fps, and make it for $450? I don't buy this BS for a second, it's old as heck, flawed in logic, and doesn't even deserve to be deemed a rumor. |
Semi-Custom is more plausible, that is where they take an already established design and make a few adjustments to suit their needs.
But you are entirely correct in asserting that the business sense in building your own custom processors from the ground up is just not there anymore, heck it wasn't there with the Playstation 3, they are just far to large, complex and expensive now.
| KBG29 said: These dev kits woukd likely be using early 7nm test chips and only be a target for where they expect to get with PS5. Current Ryzen and Vega based chips are not enough of a leap over PS4, so even a Vega 64 based system would not be a good representation. When 7nm GPUs come out 13.5TFLOPs will be mid to low end GPU power. |
The chips wouldn't have to be 7nm. Or even in the same ball park as the final Playstation 5 console in terms of capability.
They just need to present a platform that will give developers an idea of what the ecosystem might entail, from there games and the software stack can be tooled up or downwards over time.
| KBG29 said: PS4 Premium can offer 10TFLOPs GPU and a 3.0GHz Jaguar chip with no problem. Add in 16GB of RAM and an SSHD, and you will have a perfect XBO X besting option within the ecosystem. |
Are you sure Jaguar can clock up to 3ghz with no problem?
| KBG29 said: Ryzen should be here for a long while, and building around AMD's Next Gen GPU tech seems like a no brainer plan. |
Not should. Will. AMD doesn't have a choice in the matter.
I mean, AMD Bulldozer micro-architecture was a colossal failure, but they couldn't release a replacement the next year could they?
Rather, they had to adhere to their already established development plan whilst Ryzen was cooking.
Same goes for Ryzen, it's here for at-least the next half decade whether we like it or not, AMD will of course do improvements... Which AMD also did with Bulldozer aka. Piledriver, then Steamroller, then Excavator.
Ryzen without a doubt is here for a long time.
| JEMC said: As for the CPU, I wouldn't worry too much. Even a 4 or 6 core Zen processor would destroy those Jaguar chips, so they don't really need to wait for Zen+ or Zen2, but only for the appropiate node. That they'll be able to use a better arch. is just a nice bonus. |
Yeah. Not hard to obliterate Jaguar.
Jaguar was AMD's worst CPU at a time when their entire lineup of CPU's were terrible... So that just puts it into perspective.
I am hoping for at-least 8+ threads though, mostly so that would hopefully translate to better CPU utilization on the PC.
| exclusive_console said: lol. They are yet to release PS4 Pro slim. |
Who says they are supposed to?
| JEMC said: According to Glofo's Chief Technical Officer, Gary Patton, 7nm will bring a 2.7 ratio of space savings, which is huge. Couple that with better clocks and power consumption, and waiting for 7nm is a no brainer. But I disagree with you about the sump in GPU specs. When this gen started, there were a lot of complains because of the lack of a noticeable visual upgrade, and they can't really afford that again. Also, because of the Pro scalling and the XboxOne X offering 4K games, that moniker won't be enough to sell the next consoles and could bring the "why they don't launch this game on PS4 at FullHD instead of 4K?" kind of questions that nobody wants. Nah, it will have to pack some power. |
It's not just huge, it's massive. It should provide us with a more significant jump than what we saw from the move from 28nm to 16/14nm. (Which were based on 20nm.)
It should also allow AMD to bring Ryzens clocks up with some luck.
| EricHiggin said: PS and XB sticking with x86, or something highly compatible with it, is highly likely. |
They wouldn't be sticking with it because of compatibility though, they would be sticking with it because of price/performance/power consumption/convenience.
| EricHiggin said: Cerny did say 8TF for proper native 4k |
That rhetoric is obviously dumbed down. It is not a requirement for proper native 4k.
You could have 1,000 Teraflops and not achieve 480P if you don't have say... The ROPS or Bandwidth to feed that shit.
| EricHiggin said: I'm pretty sure TSMC has 12nm right now and is close with 7nm, so a 2.6-2.8Ghz Jaguar and an 8.4TF Vega APU should be no problem. |
You do realize it's not actually true 12nm right?
| EricHiggin said: Nvidia '20' series is most likely going to crush AMD anyway, but Vega on 7nm should at least give AMD a chance. |
AMD actually needs to activate features like it's draw stream binning rasterizer and not relegate Primitive Shaders to a dev-opt in scheme.
7nm will likely allow AMD to do two things with Vega... Drastically increase the chip size (I.E. More functional units) or significantly increase clocks.
So with that in mind, nVidia will likely retain it's edge.
| EricHiggin said: I think the XB1X APU die is 360mm2 on 16nm and Raven Ridge is only 210mm2 on 14nm |
Jaguar cores are tiny. Like a couple mm2 tops at 14nm.
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