"If Sony spun off Playstation, it would be worth more than Nintendo alone"
How do you know this?
Because Playstation is 1. more profitable and generates more sales 2. has bigger brand recognition 3. is a global brand which 3/4th of the world recognizes as the face of gaming 4. one of the most valuable brands http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016
Market cap is based stock price. Sony's stock price is lower than it was at the end of may. Nintendo's is higher.
As of the end of June, Nintendo's market cap was higher. That being said though, market cap is not the same as market value. Market cap only accounts for equity. Buying Sony for instance would mean assuming their debts, which would influence the price someone would be willing to pay for them.
Sony is worth more than Nintendo now, it's a simple google search really, I dunno why you guys use months old data, stocks aren't a static thing.
Sony market cap: 5,61T yen
Nintendo market cap: 5,33T yen
The reason that people use months old data, is because since stocks do change people tend to give market caps at particular benchmarks, such as the end of a fiscal year, as the person I was replying to did. I provided the link to specifically show that this data is not definitive proof, as that person was claiming. I further explained that market cap is not equivelant to the worth of the company. Cause it's not.
You're likely correct but I'd like to see some hard financial numbers to back this up.
Hmm, perhaps... Google Trends is telling me for the past 12 months, Nintendo has gathered up more interest than PlayStation.
Not sure what to make of this, honestly. Add in xbox and one is in for a surprising result: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo,xbox
Also compare Nintendo's Switch's reveal trailer to PS4's reveal trailer:
What the latter took to reach in over four years, the former is on track to reach in about one. Another potential indicator of interest favoring Nintendo. Note PlayStation's higher sub count though...
There's also the chance that recognition and interest are two completely different things and should not be compared in this way... What say you?
Three fourths of the world!? That's about 5.6 billion people... I'm having a very hard time believing this. How was this number calculated?
That's a table from 2016, I believe. http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2017 is showing something slightly different:
Nintendo's 355 to PlayStation's 479.
"I dunno why you guys use months old data"
Why do you? You linked http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016 which was from a year that ended over seven months ago.
Is not hard to look up latest financial reports. PS4 division made 17.7bn yen profit vs Nintendoes 16.2 last q, and they just launched their most popular console.
Playstation has bigger brand recognition, do a representative poll worldwide and more people will know Playstation than Nintendo, from all my travels in Europe, Middle East and Asia Playstation was the most associated with gaming. It's been a continuously used name for over 20 years. People might know the Wii and Gameboy individually but not the company behind it just like they might not know Sony is behind Playstation. Playstation makes big money and let others make big money, it's how 3rd parties survive. PSN until recently was making more money than all of Nintendo, that storefront alone is worth $.
I don't know why we're going to look at just one quarter of financial results to determine company value. I also was completely unaware that the Switch was already "their most popular console", or that console launches were supposed to be a particularly profitable time. Considering that Sony lost about 128 billion yen after the PS4 launch, maybe we shouldn't expect this to be Nintendo's most profitable time.
In other words, pointing out that Sony's profits were a hundred million dollars or so more in one quarter is a pretty poor argument to show that Sony is more profitable or more popular.
Your personal travels are meaningless. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal When you actually do that representative poll worldwide, or can provide a link to one, let me know. The only thing you posted that approaches evidence is the list of brands that you provided, but then quickly ignored when it showed that Nintendo is actually more popular.