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JWeinCom on 26 August 2017
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Turkish said:
JWeinCom said:

The reason that people use months old data, is because since stocks do change people tend to give market caps at particular benchmarks, such as the end of a fiscal year, as the person I was replying to did.  I provided the link to specifically show that this data is not definitive proof, as that person was claiming.  I further explained that market cap is not equivelant to the worth of the company.  Cause it's not.

Uhhh... 

I don't know why we're going to look at just one quarter of financial results to determine company value.  I also was completely unaware that the Switch was already "their most popular console", or that console launches were supposed to be a particularly profitable time.  Considering that Sony lost about 128 billion yen after the PS4 launch, maybe we shouldn't expect this to be Nintendo's most profitable time.

In other words, pointing out that Sony's profits were a hundred million dollars or so more in one quarter is a pretty poor argument to show that Sony is more profitable or more popular.


Your personal travels are meaningless.  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal  When you actually do that representative poll worldwide, or can provide a link to one, let me know.  The only thing you posted that approaches evidence is the list of brands that you provided, but then quickly ignored when it showed that Nintendo is actually more popular.  

"In other words, pointing out that Sony's profits were a hundred million dollars or so more in one quarter is a pretty poor argument to show that Sony is more profitable or more popular." No one made that argument, the argument was that Playstation was more profitable and popular, not Sony. This interaction started whether a spun off Playstation would be worth more than Nintendo, as did the argument which company is worth more today. And about Nintendoes most popular console, of course I meant their fastest selling console.

Both my statements are correct. Playstation is indeed more profitable and popular as they sell more consoles and make more money, and Sony has a bigger market cap. Not sure what arguments need to be started here. You're right you don't need to hear about my travels, because you already know PS4 is indeed the best selling and most popular console on the maket, my anecdotes only explain Sony ain't lying.


Yeah, I used Sony when I meant playstation.  My bad.  I still have no idea how showing that the games/services division made more money in one quarter shows that they are more profitable.  That's like... not how business works. 

If you meant fastest selling, you should have said fastest selling... because that is not synonymous.  Either way it's completely irrelevant to the point you were making.  Again, Sony lost money as they launched the PS4.  So there's no reason to expect a launch to be a profitable time, or to expect that this will be the most profitable point of the switch's lifespan.

As I've said several times... market cap is not the value of a company...  Even if it were, Sony's market value is slightly higher than Nintendo's... that's all of Sony.  So unless every other Sony division is less than worthless (worth negative dollars) then I don't see how the playstation division can be worth more than Nintendo.

Playstation 4 is the most popular console on the market... which doesn't really have much to do with whether the Playstation division is worth more than Nintendo.  But yay for them, I guess?

Of course Sony ain't lying.  I'm sure Sony has people who know how to properly evaluate a company's worth, and wouldn't be saying these kinds of nonsensical things.