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Azzanation on 26 August 2017
Turkish said:
KLAMarine said:

"If Sony spun off Playstation, it would be worth more than Nintendo alone"

 

How do you know this?

Because Playstation is 1. more profitable and generates more sales 2. has bigger brand recognition 3. is a global brand which 3/4th of the world recognizes as the face of gaming 4. one of the most valuable brands http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016

JWeinCom said:

Not done.

Market cap is based stock price.  Sony's stock price is lower than it was at the end of may.  Nintendo's is higher.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/26/nintendos-market-value-climbs-past-sony-corp

As of the end of June, Nintendo's market cap was higher.  That being said though, market cap is not the same as market value.  Market cap only accounts for equity.  Buying Sony for instance would mean assuming their debts, which would influence the price someone would be willing to pay for them.

Sony is worth more than Nintendo now, it's a simple google search really, I dunno why you guys use months old data, stocks aren't a static thing.

Sony market cap: 5,61T yen

Nintendo market cap: 5,33T yen

Theres barely any difference between the two. 

One Year Nintendo is bigger, next year Sony is bigger. 

I consider them the same size becasue its like watching Tennis, my neck hurts.



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KLAMarine on 26 August 2017
Turkish said:
KLAMarine said:

"If Sony spun off Playstation, it would be worth more than Nintendo alone"

 

How do you know this?

Because Playstation is 1. more profitable and generates more sales

You're likely correct but I'd like to see some hard financial numbers to back this up.

Turkish said:

2. has bigger brand recognition

Hmm, perhaps... Google Trends is telling me for the past 12 months, Nintendo has gathered up more interest than PlayStation.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo

Not sure what to make of this, honestly. Add in xbox and one is in for a surprising result: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo,xbox

Also compare Nintendo's Switch's reveal trailer to PS4's reveal trailer:

 

What the latter took to reach in over four years, the former is on track to reach in about one. Another potential indicator of interest favoring Nintendo. Note PlayStation's higher sub count though...

There's also the chance that recognition and interest are two completely different things and should not be compared in this way... What say you?

Turkish said:

3. is a global brand which 3/4th of the world recognizes as the face of gaming

Three fourths of the world!? That's about 5.6 billion people... I'm having a very hard time believing this. How was this number calculated?

Turkish said:

4. one of the most valuable brands http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016

That's a table from 2016, I believe. http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2017 is showing something slightly different:

...

Nintendo's 355 to PlayStation's 479.

Turkish said:
JWeinCom said:

Not done.

Market cap is based stock price.  Sony's stock price is lower than it was at the end of may.  Nintendo's is higher.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/26/nintendos-market-value-climbs-past-sony-corp

As of the end of June, Nintendo's market cap was higher.  That being said though, market cap is not the same as market value.  Market cap only accounts for equity.  Buying Sony for instance would mean assuming their debts, which would influence the price someone would be willing to pay for them.

Sony is worth more than Nintendo now, it's a simple google search really, I dunno why you guys use months old data, stocks aren't a static thing.

Sony market cap: 5,61T yen

Nintendo market cap: 5,33T yen

"I dunno why you guys use months old data"

Why do you? You linked http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016 which was from a year that ended over seven months ago.



Turkish on 26 August 2017
KLAMarine said:
Turkish said:

Because Playstation is 1. more profitable and generates more sales

You're likely correct but I'd like to see some hard financial numbers to back this up.

Turkish said:

2. has bigger brand recognition

Hmm, perhaps... Google Trends is telling me for the past 12 months, Nintendo has gathered up more interest than PlayStation.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo

Not sure what to make of this, honestly. Add in xbox and one is in for a surprising result: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo,xbox

Also compare Nintendo's Switch's reveal trailer to PS4's reveal trailer:

 

What the latter took to reach in over four years, the former is on track to reach in about one. Another potential indicator of interest favoring Nintendo. Note PlayStation's higher sub count though...

There's also the chance that recognition and interest are two completely different things and should not be compared in this way... What say you?

Turkish said:

3. is a global brand which 3/4th of the world recognizes as the face of gaming

Three fourths of the world!? That's about 5.6 billion people... I'm having a very hard time believing this. How was this number calculated?

Turkish said:

4. one of the most valuable brands http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016

That's a table from 2016, I believe. http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2017 is showing something slightly different:

...

Nintendo's 355 to PlayStation's 479.

Turkish said:

Sony is worth more than Nintendo now, it's a simple google search really, I dunno why you guys use months old data, stocks aren't a static thing.

Sony market cap: 5,61T yen

Nintendo market cap: 5,33T yen

"I dunno why you guys use months old data"

Why do you? You linked http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016 which was from a year that ended over seven months ago.

Is not hard to look up latest financial reports. PS4 division made 17.7bn yen profit vs Nintendoes 16.2 last q, and they just launched their most popular console.

Playstation has bigger brand recognition, do a representative poll worldwide and more people will know Playstation than Nintendo, from all my travels in Europe, Middle East and Asia Playstation was the most associated with gaming. It's been a continuously used name for over 20 years. People might know the Wii and Gameboy individually but not the company behind it just like they might not know Sony is behind Playstation. Playstation makes big money and let others make big money, it's how 3rd parties survive. PSN until recently was making more money than all of Nintendo, that storefront alone is worth $.



gentii on 26 August 2017
Turkish said:
KLAMarine said:

You're likely correct but I'd like to see some hard financial numbers to back this up.

Hmm, perhaps... Google Trends is telling me for the past 12 months, Nintendo has gathered up more interest than PlayStation.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo

Not sure what to make of this, honestly. Add in xbox and one is in for a surprising result: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=playstation,nintendo,xbox

Also compare Nintendo's Switch's reveal trailer to PS4's reveal trailer:

 

What the latter took to reach in over four years, the former is on track to reach in about one. Another potential indicator of interest favoring Nintendo. Note PlayStation's higher sub count though...

There's also the chance that recognition and interest are two completely different things and should not be compared in this way... What say you?

Three fourths of the world!? That's about 5.6 billion people... I'm having a very hard time believing this. How was this number calculated?

That's a table from 2016, I believe. http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2017 is showing something slightly different:

...

Nintendo's 355 to PlayStation's 479.

"I dunno why you guys use months old data"

Why do you? You linked http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/global-500-2016 which was from a year that ended over seven months ago.

Is not hard to look up latest financial reports. PS4 division made 17.7bn yen profit vs Nintendoes 16.2 last q, and they just launched their most popular console.

Playstation has bigger brand recognition, do a representative poll worldwide and more people will know Playstation than Nintendo, from all my travels in Europe, Middle East and Asia Playstation was the most associated with gaming. It's been a continuously used name for over 20 years. People might know the Wii and Gameboy individually but not the company behind it just like they might not know Sony is behind Playstation. Playstation makes big money and let others make big money, it's how 3rd parties survive. PSN until recently was making more money than all of Nintendo, that storefront alone is worth $.

Playstation make money Sony Looses LoL



Bofferbrauer2 on 26 August 2017
Barkley said:
gentii said:

It's beating PS4 launch period numbers

No it's not. It's 1.3m behind ps4 launch aligned.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228581

Quote the whole sentence, not just that little exerpt. He says in the summer, which it certainly will, as the PS4 dropped below 150k in that period and Japan is supplying those numbers already almost on it's own since Splatoon 2's launch

While it is behind the PS4 lanch aligned right now, Switch will definitly narrow that gap during this summer



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Barkley on 26 August 2017
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Barkley said:

No it's not. It's 1.3m behind ps4 launch aligned.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228581

Quote the whole sentence, not just that little exerpt. He says in the summer, which it certainly will, as the PS4 dropped below 150k in that period and Japan is supplying those numbers already almost on it's own since Splatoon 2's launch

While it is behind the PS4 lanch aligned right now, Switch will definitly narrow that gap during this summer

He is not comparing Switch summer sales to PS4 summer sales. He is saying Switch is beating ps4 launch aligned, he is wrong.. Otherwise the "while PS4 had a holiday launch" addition to the sentence would make no sense.

He's comparing launch period to launch period.

"It's beating PS4 launch period numbers in the slow summer while PS4 had a holiday launch, with a short supply. "

A.K.A - It's beating PS4 Launch period numbers even though it launched in the slow summer, with a short supply, while PS4 had a holiday launch.



Azuren on 26 August 2017
Azzanation said:
Azuren said:

I dunno. Things looked pretty bleak for the GameCube and Wii U. And at least the GameCube had the GBA selling alongside it. The Wii U had the DS's younger less successful brother. It's been so bad this Gen that Nintendo had to Mulligan and release the Switch.

While I don't believe Nintendo will ever go under, denial of how bleak it has been in the past will be what undoes the company.

Yet it was only 1 gen ago Nintendo were the best selling in both home console (Wii) and Portable (DS/3DS). 

Which was quickly followed up by the Wii U and the 3DS. Hmm.



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Turkish on 26 August 2017
gentii said:
Turkish said:

Is not hard to look up latest financial reports. PS4 division made 17.7bn yen profit vs Nintendoes 16.2 last q, and they just launched their most popular console.

Playstation has bigger brand recognition, do a representative poll worldwide and more people will know Playstation than Nintendo, from all my travels in Europe, Middle East and Asia Playstation was the most associated with gaming. It's been a continuously used name for over 20 years. People might know the Wii and Gameboy individually but not the company behind it just like they might not know Sony is behind Playstation. Playstation makes big money and let others make big money, it's how 3rd parties survive. PSN until recently was making more money than all of Nintendo, that storefront alone is worth $.

Playstation make money Sony Looses LoL

Sony Sees Highest Profit Since 1998

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/sony-sees-highest-profit-in-two-decades-on-games-phone-cameras

Bruh all the points you made itt have been wrong lol. Why did u make this thread about Sony when u tryna defend Nintendo's honor? 😂



Goodnightmoon on 26 August 2017
Azzanation said:
Azuren said:

I dunno. Things looked pretty bleak for the GameCube and Wii U. And at least the GameCube had the GBA selling alongside it. The Wii U had the DS's younger less successful brother. It's been so bad this Gen that Nintendo had to Mulligan and release the Switch.

While I don't believe Nintendo will ever go under, denial of how bleak it has been in the past will be what undoes the company.

Yet it was only 1 gen ago Nintendo were the best selling in both home console (Wii) and Portable (DS/3DS). 

 That never happened! Nintendo is always on decline don't be in denial!! :P



COKTOE on 26 August 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
COKTOE said:

I'm sorry, I don't have the time to look it up at the moment, but wasn't Sony making a profit on PS4 hardware shortly after launch? Or maybe within a year at the worst?

Yes, but that is rare. Sony since the first PlayStation, to keep with the conventional media times have usually sold their consoles at a loss and the same goes for Microsoft. They gradually gain profit over time. Of course I am sure this gen they are both selling their consoles at a profit. The Xbox one x is not launching at a profit ... its essentially at cost, so it's more of the same. I don't find it wise to have a console that isn't profitable at mid gen.im guessing at the current state based on parts Sony is making a profit on the pro as well as the ps4.

Yep, I'm aware the selling hardware at a loss for an extended period is the norm. Thanks for confirming the PS4 was a bit of an outlier in that regard. Now that I have the time, been trying to find similar info on the PS1, which I believe also began to turn a profit on units sold relatively quickly. I know the PS2 took a while, and the PS3 took 4 years and a hardware revision. Ouch.



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