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Kerotan said:
Mnementh said:

According to statistics bureau of Japan, there are 21 million japanese aged 0-20. If I divide that through 20, I get barely above a million kids which should reach the age to get a 3DS each year (regardless which age this is). Last year 3DS sold 2 million, this year already has nearly a million. So, even if the assume that EVERY SINGLE KID in Japan gets a 3DS, this amounts to only half the sales. And this assumption is highly doubtful, more likely every third to fifth kid gets a 3DS, meaning that the big majority of sales has to be explained differently.

http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/jinsui/tsuki/index.htm

LOL did you not just listen to what i said? He asked how could 3ds possibly be still selling. I gave him expamples of how it could still sell. I never said that's where all it's sales or even most of its sales come from. You are trying to assume i meant that so just stop because you're wasting your time taking my post for something it was never meant to be. 

Now that i've told you for the second time what it meant, hopefully you now agree that i'm right and that sales do come from the reason i highlighted, which is kids now old enough to get a console that weren't years ago can get one. Another reason is people's older 3ds's breaking and buying a replacement which is cheap to do nowadays. Another reason is people just wanting to upgrade an old model to a newer one. That's 3 possibilities i provided him with. If you can think of others feel free to reply to him and contribute but don't bother trying to discredit my post because it only contains facts. 

And now that i've thought about it again, i can add two another reasons. The entry price to the console is much cheaper meaning it could be affordable or just seen as value for money for consumers that seen it as too pricey in the past. Secondly thwe library is now much bigger then years gone by. So consumers might want to buy it for multiple games wheras in the past there might not have been enough titles on the platform to get them to make the purchase. Again loads of reasons and i just prov9ided him with a few. As i said stop trying to discredit my answer when it only contains facts. 

Again, all stuff sells, even Vita. But the levels are relevant. The high 3DS levels can't be explained with kids getting older, as I explained. If that would be the case, the sales would be a fifth and not mention-worthy. Also breaking 3DS is funny, as the device is very sturdy. No, this explanation is ridiculous. Think about it this way: if someone asks why PS4 sells still that well I answer: kids become teens and get one and old PS4 are breaking and have to be replaced. Does it happen? Sure. Does it explain the levels of sales? Nope.

Price and library is a much better explanation, but it doesn't help other old consoles that much. Wii for instance died off quick despite low price and big library.



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Qwark said:
Farsala said:

It is a shrinking market compared to all of those markets.

Of course it is still 2nd and important, but thats not the point of my post. UK threads can get this toxic, but rarely. France and Germany threads never do. US is the most important market and the NPD threads are monthly but doesn't have 4 times as much pettiness as these threads.

Isn't the EU usually seen as one market though. Sure they are a number of individual countries. But in general their economy and taste in gaming is pretty much the same. Same goes for USA and Canada a.k.a. the North American market. Which is still (by far) the biggest than EU and after that Japan. Asia is to much divided in both taste and market to fuse in one market. But as individual country it's still very relevant, but compared to EU it's rather small. That's why there are games targeted at the EU market and the Japanese market, but in general games targeted at EU and in lesser or more ways targeted at the NA market such as Horizon sell more WW. So Splatoon winning in Japan doesn't necessarily mean that it will win globally. But Crash outselling Splatoon in UK with bigger launch sales than Horizon does indicate it most likely will do better WW. 

The tastes in europe are very different. UK tending to lean more MS and generally mirroring US. A few countries (including germany) leaning heavily PC. A division between more Nintendo-countries and more Sony-countries. The european market is pretty diverse. Crash sales in UK don't indicate at all how the game does throughout europe. The only reason they are lumped together is that they are so small compared to US and Japan.



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Mnementh said:
Kerotan said:

LOL did you not just listen to what i said? He asked how could 3ds possibly be still selling. I gave him expamples of how it could still sell. I never said that's where all it's sales or even most of its sales come from. You are trying to assume i meant that so just stop because you're wasting your time taking my post for something it was never meant to be. 

Now that i've told you for the second time what it meant, hopefully you now agree that i'm right and that sales do come from the reason i highlighted, which is kids now old enough to get a console that weren't years ago can get one. Another reason is people's older 3ds's breaking and buying a replacement which is cheap to do nowadays. Another reason is people just wanting to upgrade an old model to a newer one. That's 3 possibilities i provided him with. If you can think of others feel free to reply to him and contribute but don't bother trying to discredit my post because it only contains facts. 

And now that i've thought about it again, i can add two another reasons. The entry price to the console is much cheaper meaning it could be affordable or just seen as value for money for consumers that seen it as too pricey in the past. Secondly thwe library is now much bigger then years gone by. So consumers might want to buy it for multiple games wheras in the past there might not have been enough titles on the platform to get them to make the purchase. Again loads of reasons and i just prov9ided him with a few. As i said stop trying to discredit my answer when it only contains facts. 

Again, all stuff sells, even Vita. But the levels are relevant. The high 3DS levels can't be explained with kids getting older, as I explained. If that would be the case, the sales would be a fifth and not mention-worthy. Also breaking 3DS is funny, as the device is very sturdy. No, this explanation is ridiculous. Think about it this way: if someone asks why PS4 sells still that well I answer: kids become teens and get one and old PS4 are breaking and have to be replaced. Does it happen? Sure. Does it explain the levels of sales? Nope.

Price and library is a much better explanation, but it doesn't help other old consoles that much. Wii for instance died off quick despite low price and big library.

He asked how could it possibly be still selling and I gave him examples.  You took great offence to that for some reason. When my sisters were younger 3 of them had DS'S. Over the life of the console they had about 10 of them bought because they kept breaking them or because they wanted an upgrade.  It's quite common in Japan for a single consumer to have bought multiples over the whole generation. These are all legit reasons why it sells.  If you want to add other reasons do but I don't really care because all I was doing was telling him some possibilities.  So go back and tell him if you want. 



Kerotan said:
Dr.Vita said:


Haha yes, everyone expected Crash Bandicoot to outsell Splatoon 2 in Japan... I am really surprised to see Splatoon 2 outselling Crash in Japan... Never expected this to happen... XD 

Just as surprised as you Nintendo guys were when you saw Crash Bandicoot destroying Splatoon 2 in the UK! Dude you guys completely underestimated Crash Bandicoot, a lot of you didn't even think that it would reach 1M lifetime. And then out of nowhere Crash Bandicoot broke all records and became a huge system seller for PS4. You guys were all shocked by the popularity of Crash Bandicoot and now you try to down talk your completely ridiculous Crash Bandicoot sales predictions. With posts like this one you guys only prove to me how angry and embarrassed you were when Crash Bandicoot destroyed Splatoon 2 in the UK. XD

Btw
UK = 4 countries
Japan = 1 country 

As an Irish man I take great offence to you saying the UK is 4 countries!! 


But I googled it and Google said something different. XD



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TheWPCTraveler said:
outlawauron said:

England, Wales, Scotland, and North Ireland. Is did I get that taught incorrectly?

Italicised should make the point clear.

I am of the opinion that we should also count the Cayman Islands as a country, though, so that would be five countries, not four.

When did Northern Ireland no longer consider themselves in the UK?



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Ka-pi96 said:
outlawauron said:

When did Northern Ireland no longer consider themselves in the UK?

I think Kero is pissed because his part of Ireland left the UK.

@Kero you`re always welcome to rejoin the UK dood!

The UK should do the right thing and join Ireland.  Then we might forgive you. 



Look at that domination. Vita outselling Wii-U 30-1. There should be a mercy rule for beatings like this.



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Dr.Vita said:
zippy said:

Just a little giggle after Mr Vita was quite vocal about Splatoon 2 missing out to crash in the UK charts. No harm intended :)


Haha yes, everyone expected Crash Bandicoot to outsell Splatoon 2 in Japan... I am really surprised to see Splatoon 2 outselling Crash in Japan... Never expected this to happen... XD 

Just as surprised as you Nintendo guys were when you saw Crash Bandicoot destroying Splatoon 2 in the UK! Dude you guys completely underestimated Crash Bandicoot, a lot of you didn't even think that it would reach 1M lifetime. And then out of nowhere Crash Bandicoot broke all records and became a huge system seller for PS4. You guys were all shocked by the popularity of Crash Bandicoot and now you try to down talk your completely ridiculous Crash Bandicoot sales predictions. With posts like this one you guys only prove to me how angry and embarrassed you were when Crash Bandicoot destroyed Splatoon 2 in the UK. XD

Btw
UK = 4 countries
Japan = 1 country 

Please show me one post where this is the case. Who doubted that a remake of 3 very nostalgic games at only $ 40 wouldn't sell well? That's quite a nice narrative you've invented there. 

Btw

UK = 65M people

Japan = 127M people



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Dr.Vita said:

Btw
UK = 4 countries
Japan = 1 country 

Where's the logic in this?