So thats it the Motion Sensing abilities of the WiiMote is now down to the level of a new button or d-pad. I thought this was supposed to be a "Revolution". In the past those new buttons, memory card, hard drive, online all came along with a much more powerful console. The WiiMote didnt come with a much more powerful console, the console came with the WiiMote is how this thing is sold.  Nothing released on the Wii couldnt have been done on last gen console and include the controller as part of the game packing.

Wii: $249.99

PS3: $399.99

What was the point of that post Leo-J?

This thread is funny, everyone is yelling out how stupid leo-j is (I mostly agree right now in this thread) and often times yell at those goddamn "SDF'ers" who always attack them and get defensive all the time and act childish etc etc.
This is the exact same thing, why not let it slide, its like many have stated already in this very thread; leo-j's mind is made up and you can't turn him around.
Why post in here at all? For me, the most telltale sign that you're not making sense or generally are making an arse of yourself is when everyone simply ignores you.
And yet; every time leo-j makes one of these threads, you all go at it again, doing the exact same things you accuse everyone else of doing.
Why does he hurt your feelings so? Does he hold such incredibly powerful sway over all the users in here that you absolutely have to engage in the same fights over and over and over and over and over again?

Lol is all I will say, I'll not post again in this thread, but I will keep reading and laugh really hard at the double standards and the overall redundancy of this project.

I just posted because he acts as if the wii is the same exact price as the PS3, I really dont know why you guys are talking about the ps3, this is about the wii.

Im just asking why do you think it will hit such high numbers, not why it will pass 33 million.

Actually it is quite the opposite. People ignore you if you state unadulterated fact or level-headed reasoning. That's exactly why this thread has grown to three pages....and exactly why all of leo-j's prediction based threads grow to ginormous proportions. Of course this thread is no longer about Leo-J....he left the building after page 1. It's mostly just been people late to the party chiming in after the fact....like yourself. I just like this thread because I think it is funny....especially considering that Leo-J last year said the Wii would stop selling by March of this year and that the PS3 would be within 3 million units of the Wii. Consider this nothing more than a heaping of crow that he has made for himself. We just want to make sure he's comfortable and enjoys every last bite.

 Truth has revealed itself.  You're a graphic aficiando.  Had you simply implied you enjoy high end graphics over unique gameplay, you'd have not come across the way you did.   

I also note you suggest that the Wii si just a GC with waggle.  You fail to recall the built in Wi-Fi, online, WC24, Virtual Console, etc....all of which were not possible on GC.   Since you've established yourself as unwilling to look beyond the lack of a major graphical update from the GC, this debate will go no further.

The Wii is a good option for the millions of gamers who never bought a GC, whether it's because they're not fans of Nintendo franchises, or they simply had all their gaming needs met by either the Xbox or PS2.

But if you took the motion sensing control and more importantly, Wii Sports out of the equation, you would be hard pressed to come up with a convincing argument that the Wii would be selling as well as it has been. The standard control option is the primary feature that distinguishes it from the GC. Price has been the primary feature that distinguished it from the competition from the beginning of the current generation.

Standard online, be it wireless (most convenient/common) or ethernet is simply keeping with the current generation. Internal storage is another standard feature for today, one in which the Wii is lacking most, limiting the extent of downloads until Nintendo adds extended firmware support for SD card usage, which may or may not happen, and may or may not even make a difference to the average user, since Wii was initially designed to use its internal storage primarily for game save data and small VC games. The typical user (which are not core gamers) will never need any more space than that.

Graphically speaking, the differences between the GC and Wii are nothing to make note of when comparing the differences between the PS2 and PS3 or Xbox and the 360.

Console sales tend to peak well after all the 'good' games are out.

Take PS2 sales peak in 2002  (when Kingdom Hearts, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank released). 

That was after Devil May Cry, after GTAIII, after Jack and Dexter, after FFX.

GC peaked in 2003 (when Mario Kart, F Zero and Zelda released)

Thats after Smash, Pikmin, Sunshine, Metroid Prime 

Xbox peaked in 2004 (when Halo 2 and Fable released)

That was after Halo, PGR, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and the GTA Double Pack 

That means if Wii is even remotely similar to PS2, Xbox or GC (I think its similar to all three personally.  Wii may be made by Nintendo but its almost like a new brand, the same way Xbox was.  Its similar to PS2 and GC in terms of mass appeal and Nintendo loyalists/pricing respectively) then it will peak in 2008 or 2009.  Personally, I see it peaking from July 1 2008 to June 30 2009, straddling either side of this holiday season.  But if you think Wii is going to see peak sales after its best core games have released, then sales will be up from 2007.  So you have to add at least 16 million to the 19 million LTD figure through the end of 2007, putting Wii at 35 million.  At the same time, Nintendo originally forecast 14 million Wiis shipped for the 12 months ending March 31, 2008, then 16.5 million, then 17.5 million, now 18.5 million (a figure which Nintendo may still exceed).  In contrast Sony and Microsoft have lowered shipment totals for their consoles over the same time frame.  

It really wouldn't be that surprising to expect Wii to ship more than DS at the comparable time frame from launch this year, so something like 25 million as a projected shipment total could be reasonable, while Sony will probably project PS3 to be about 1/2 that level.  Both shipment forecasts will be available in late April.  

Now with all that said, if Japan is any indication with DS and PSP, there may certaintly come a time when PS3 will outsell Wii in a region down the line for an extended time frame.  But for that to happen, Wii sales will have to stop going up first, and that ceiling is still months away at least, since at the very least Wii Fit is going to be huge.  If you believe Wii Sports is the main reason Wii is still selling in the west, you have to wonder just how big Wii Fit can be, not to mention Wii Music/Wii Motorsports, or whatever else Nintendo has in its hat.  My take is because of the 360 in the Americas, Wii will not be outsold by PS3 in the Americas for at least 18 months, and it probably won't happen at all.  In Japan, because of PSP and DS, PS3 is in a similar tough scenario.  But in Others, where 360 is weaker, and DS and PSP are probably peaking now, I would not be surprised to see PS3 outsell Wii in Others on and off with a price drop, even by the end of 2008.  

Well SSBB and MKWii are strange qualifiers because few games in the industry sell like that. If we're basing the future of a console solely on those one or two super multi million sellers than I would have to say that the future of all the consoles doesn't look very bright.

Also, you don't think Nintendo won't make new IPs? Really? What an odd stance seeing how they made more new IPs recently than they have since the SNES era. We've gotten:

Pikmin, Chibi-Robo, Golden Sun, Master of Illusion, the Wii line, Brain Training, Soma Bringer, Nintendogs, Magical Vacation (Magical Starsign), Disaster: Day of Crisis, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (2nd party rights), Eternal Chronicle, Big Brain Academy, Geist, Legend of Stafy, Doshin the Giant (technically a 64DD game), Electroplankton, Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, True Swing Golf, and many more I'm probably missing. All in the last 6 years, or in other words the average length of a generation.

This doesn't include unnamed new IPs like the one Miyamoto is working on mention as far back as last year, the Matsuno x Monolith RPG which is supposed to get a massive push, offshoots of existing franchises into new territory (Tingle RPG, Donkey Konga, Battalion Wars, etc.), revivals of dormant franchises (Wave Race, Kid Icarus), exclusive 3rd party IPs produced/published by and/or in collaboration with Nintendo (Fatal Frame IV, Monster Hunter 3), the daily updates of the ass-ton of current franchises yet to be represented (F-Zero, StarFox, etc.), and the next installments of franchises already present (Zelda Wii). Really, you think Nintendo just going to stop now when there's so much money to be made?