Leo-j is like the anti John Lucas. He has insanely low predictions on how Wii will sell rather than insanely high ones.

Well you said you didn't see Nintendo making a lot of new IPs and that list kinda proves you wrong on it. I think it is premature to say any console has had its best games out at this point. Inevitably some developer will get a great idea and turn it into a smash hit. Nintendo is undeniably one of the best software developers out there, and they have recently aquired Monolith Soft to bolster their RPG ranks. I am willing to bet something comes out of that and is a system seller. Never under-estimate their first party development teams ability to surprise even themselves. Super Smash Brothers was a two-man throw away project at first, and now look at the series.

Your argument just went in another direction entirely. Considering that people can't even decide on what an "AAA" game is in the first place it's hardly a qualifier for new IPs. And only "nintendboys" recognize those games? I don't even know what you're trying to say, they're new IPs so it's not even like there's fanservice to entice "nintendboys" in the first place. Not every new IP is going to be a multimillier seller. It doesn't happen overnight and the ones Nintendo do have planned, they're hardly going to glabbing about on game messageboards for us lowly people to disect the concept.

Um, Wii Fit is a new IP. They also came up with Brain Training and Wii Sports. I'd call them more new IP than anything I've seen on the 360 or PS3. And they have sold more consoles than any other games. So I don't see how you can say Nintendo doesn't come up with new IPs.

"Console sales tend to peak well after all the 'good' games are out."

That was the first sentence of thesource's post. Either I misunderstood it, or you minunderstood it.

@PDF...you didn't really refute anything I said in my post. You just downplayed everything by setting the world record for using the word "gimmick" in a post.

You mentioned "core" games(which I will again remind you are less relevant than in the past, at least for the Wii), and I responded by mentioning some "core" games. No, they aren't as big as Mario or Zelda, but not many games in the world are. Still, you're separating "nintendboy" and "core" gamers, like there is no overlap in those two sets. Depending on the approach, a lot of people could be very excited about the first DK, Pikmin, and Star Fox games. If you think Animal Crossing won't sell a buttload, you should really take a look at the long legs of AC and AC: WW. For all intents and purposes Kid Icarus, Golden Sun, Pilotwings, and Earthbound are new IP's to many people out there, just with the added benefit of a pre-existing, loyal fanbase.

There is also a good chance that we'll see another Mario, Zelda, or Metroid game this gen. It wouldn't surprise me if neither of those 3 make a return, but Nintendo has had at least one of those franchises make 2 appearances each generation(if you count Yoshi's Island on the SNES).

The thing that really gets me about your assertion of "AAA" games running dry, is that you unwisely assume Nintendo has released Zelda, Mario, Paper Mario, Metroid, Smash, Pokemon, and Mario Kart with no plans for the future. Do you seriously think that is all they have planned for the "core" gamer?

And you couldn't be more right about the girls at your school playing or wanting Wii's. Most of them may be clueless, but they are just as clueless as all of the middle-aged men I knew who bought a PS2 for college football and NASCAR games. They bought their PS2's, were crazy about them and their sports games, wouldn't buy anything for another year until the next NCAA/NASCAR game, then the PS2's sat in a closet for years.

One of the main flaws with the logic that "the wii will stop selling soon because people will get sick of the the motion sensing "gimmick" any day now" is that motion sensing isn't a gimmick at all.

It's called *accessibility* - the wii also did this by cutting down the number of buttons on the controllers as well. I also don't think accessibility will go out of style as fast as some here might hope.

"Accessibility" is what the few hundred million people on the planet who have never really played console games look for.

Say what you will but a 20+ button controller is batshit confusing unless you're training dozens of hours a week with it.

This is interesting *eats popcorn*
Seriously, the Wii will sell decent, but I'm not a future-seeing person, so I'm not sure how well.

Nintendo is the most prolific developer of new IP in the world. They have also been the most successful at maintaining IP. They've been doing it for decades and all the sudden the pipeline is going to dry up? It kind of defies logic.