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America

Is greater than ever 42 18.92%
 
Was greater before 80 36.04%
 
Was never great 59 26.58%
 
"A horse with no na... 41 18.47%
 
Total:222

Abraham Lincoln would straight out slap some people there.



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When Michelle Obama says"we live in a house built by slaves" is a great example of how far we have come. We are not perfect and never will be"a more perfect union"means it's a never-ending struggle.



Goodnightmoon said:

In my opinion this nonsense slogan is target to very insecure conservative white man that are afraid of losing their dominant position in America, but what do you think? When was America greater than now?

Agreed. I got a good chuckle out of the video and see what they're getting at. Relatively speaking, though, the Greatest Generation was pretty high on the hog wrapping up WWII and entering the limelight of the 50's (ya know, apart from racism, sexism, and xenophobia). What the Founding Fathers accomplished was also pretty fucking impressive (apart from the whole slavery thing).



Depends what you mean by great. From 1950 to 2000 or something like that, the USA was the undisputed superpower in the world, No. 1 by any standards. Today, they continue to lose that status. All over the world other countries begin to challenge the former superpower. Russia is again striving for power, germany is generating loads of cash while the US is drowning in trillions of debt, China is producing pretty much any goods in the world, Japan seeks to once again establish a full blown army of their own and so on. Those developments in the world could lead to the US losing their status as a superpower, they could lose the ability to play world police, they already have lost influence in many parts of the world. For some people, those outlooks are very scary. They don't like the feeling that they aren't going to be No. 1 forever. They want to turn the world back to the 20th century.

But whatever, they won't be able to do that anyway. It doesn't matter what you do, the US will never be able to compensate all the successes of all other nations in the world. They would have to strike the competition down by force. But if they start a war, the world as we know it will be pretty much done for and we would be lucky if there was still a living being on the planet at all. So that is also not an option to turn back the hands of time.

Sorry folks, the 20th century is over and earth continues spinning. That's really all there is to say.



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Teeqoz said:

Wasn't it pretty great during/after WW2? America does well during cataclysmic wars that fuck it up for the rest of the world.

EDIT: Haha, just saw the vid, and now I got the point

 

 

Indeed. The decade after WW2, the US was at its strongest.


That's probably the biggest differences between Democrats and Republicans. When they thinks about a country being great, they don't think about social issues that affected the time (which is the "joke" of the whole video), but the leadership, military, and economy.



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Goodnightmoon said:
Captain_Yuri said:
I think 'Merica was great when 7th gen was a thing.

You mean when a drunk sociopath with low Iq was its president? :P 

Is this where we say everyone we dislike or disagree with is stupid?



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outlawauron said:
Teeqoz said:

Wasn't it pretty great during/after WW2? America does well during cataclysmic wars that fuck it up for the rest of the world.

EDIT: Haha, just saw the vid, and now I got the point

 

 

Indeed. The decade after WW2, the US was at its strongest.


That's probably the biggest differences between Democrats and Republicans. When they thinks about a country being great, they don't think about social issues that affected the time (which is the "joke" of the whole video), but the leadership, military, and economy.

People use American exceptionalism to justify atrocities by American to maintain it's military and economic interests. I want America to have the best education system in the world instead of the biggest military budget in the world.



Video is not available in my country. Anyway I love the 'idea' of America. The founding principles of the country of freedom and hard work, small government and low taxes. Giving people not just the power, but the responsibility to overthrow their government should it fail them. Pretty much all of that seems to be gone now....

People who came to America came to work, and they succeeded in achieving 'the American dream' or they went back home. In my mind around 50 years before and after WW2, America was truly the land of opportunity.

Now it seems to be a self-hating eurocentric welfare state poisoned by socialism and a ridiculously aggressive foreign policy. America has adopted the worst of the left (huge government and resulting fairly high taxes) and the right (aforementioned foreign policy, insane lack of gun control etc.).

I hope America can be great again, but at the moment Australia (my country) and Switzerland appear to be the best examples of a western nation. Even with our high taxes, with a relatively small government and a lack of corruption our tax dollars seem to end up mostly in the hands of those that truly need them. There will always be doll bludgers though. They make me sick....



JustcallmeRiff said:
When Michelle Obama says"we live in a house built by slaves" is a great example of how far we have come. We are not perfect and never will be"a more perfect union"means it's a never-ending struggle.

All that fucking woman talks about is her struggle as a black person. Her and that lanky husband of hers need to get over their victim mentality. 

They're only the most powerful couple in the world!