I really don't see how that's lazy in this case. SE constantly creates very colorful characters with major differences in look.  This was an intentional decision for the purposes of story.  

exactly!

no developer or very few of them will actually risk and make a full AAA high-budget game exclusively for pc, that's why the majority of pc games, temporary or not, are low-budget indies like five nights at freddys, undertale, etc because the majority of people doesn't even have or cares to have a powerful pc or the time and money to always upgrade it and make sure that you can play games properly on it without having technical issues and/or bad graphics, that's why they get more potential sales out of the consoles versions because people buy consoles to play this type of high budget AAA games and also because you don't need to invest more money upgrading them, that means even if your console was released 10 years ago you will still be able to play newer games on it, as opposed to pc hardware (i have my ps3 from 2007, and still can play 2016's games)

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Steam-Survey-Most-PC-Gamers-Have-Weaker-PCs-Than-PS4-Xbox-One-58833.html

Why I'd want to learn? Because of your comment. You had some good points about e.g. Kickstarter.

My initial goal was trying to get Vivster to explain why he always feel that consoles limit devs in their vision and scale (when according to many devs console sales is the reason why games can have follow their vision and scale). Unfortunately, thanks to this nitpicking he'll probably just keep away.

You hit the nail on the head with this comment. But I guess we're rude for pointing it out.

I fail to see why console gamers are to blame for resolution and fps when the majority of PC gamers have weaker specs than console gamers.

If it could pay off economically, naturally more devs would cater to these few monster rigs but why complain and call them lazy when it currently isn't econimically justifiable?

How were they even good points though?.

I imagine he thought so because the current gen are sporting hardware that isn't really as up to date as hardware being released yearly by Nvidia/AMD, I mean look at what the Wii U can handle next to a PS4.

Devs can't exactly achieve their vision on one but can on another, that tells you that hardware is an important factor at play, it's also why last gen can't handle the most current of games at the same settings because their hardware cannot handle what is being asked, the same has happened with current gen systems that were touted as 1080p 60fps systems before launch, come launch we are seeing sacrifices being made, why should there by any sacrifices at all if current gen systems allow devs to achieve their vision?, why must they have to tone down anything at all?, their vision doesn't exactly have tone down res/fps/textures as their main plan and yet it has happened for the past two years.

(Btw I mean you no form of hostility, I just don't agree with your view on who pays for games vs who doesn't, I've seen plenty of titles supported by PC and some that even made the light of day thanks to the platform, especially with genres that have once been exclusive to the platform).

Final Fantasy XV has not a standard for western games to meet, but rather Japanese games. Japanese development is still working to catch up.

1: Granted. You had some fairly good points.

2: If only Vivster was able to answer for himself we wouldn't have to try to guess his views.

3: Hmm.. On one hand devs are lazy and bad at optimizing PC versions but on the other hand they fulfill their vision on PCs. Which one is it? If they fulfill their vision on PC why complain? What's not to like about consoles securing big funds for games like The Witcher 3 and you being able to play the definitive version and the true vision on your PC? Still, you refuse to deal with the fact that most PC gamers have weaker specs than Xbox One. Why?

4: My view?? It's the view of most devs that you don't agree with. I'm not talking about succesful e.g. strategy games on PC. I'm talking about games like Final Fantasy XV and The Witcher 3 hence the "Games LIKE THESE wouldn't have anywhere near the vision and scale they have if it wasn't for console sales."

I mean you no form of hostility either (and for the record I enjoy gaming on my PC as well as my PS4 and Wii U). It's all good :)

3. That doesn't really answer what I was trying to talk about for the console side when you talked about a devs vision though, trying to compare and notch down PC to the same level as a console isn't really going to make things even steven. I've played plenty of titles that work well on PC and look the part as well, times where I've managed to get what I wanted from a game than having to sacrifice for it. What's not to like about PC when it secures funds to make games that others will enjoy on other platforms?, plenty of KS and other dev funded games have started out on PC first, without those you just wouldn't have your games at all, you point me to Witcher and I'll simply point you to the rest that go PC first and there are plenty. Most PC gamers is old hat data you're sporting from a Cinemablend article, one that isn't a PC 100% reliable source, especially information that is now 3 years old.

4.By most devs you seem to go with the few that are within the AAA spec, not every other dev in total existence because that's simply not the same view and that's simply a fact because we all don't share the same exact view and goal, I honestly don't know why you're more than willing to knock everything or anything positive that PC has out of the park and nailing everything down to a few AAA games and then claiming PC doesn't do much if anything good at all, not anywhere enar console elvel which apparently means PC actually makes less, has less and gives less and that simply isn't true at all. You forget that without a PC you wouldn't even have any video games let alone a console, that very platform is the father of all video games.

3: Sigh.. What's not to like about PC? What do you mean. I like gaming on my PC. My first comment was triggered by Vivster's "they should make FFXV exclusive to PC". That doesn't make sense when most PCs are weaker than Xbox One. Vision is a lot more than resolution and fps. It's also about scale, effects, etc.

4: Where do I knock everything positive that PS has out of the park? Where do I forget that games are developed on PCs? Why are you putting words in people's mouths? Please understand that I'm speaking of games LIKE THESE (Final Fantasy XV and The Witcher 3) as I write in my very first comment about the topic. Why in the world of logic should I argue that games exclusive to PC don't sell on PC.

There's no point at all keeping this "discussion" alive. There's not even anything at all to agree/disagree on. You don't have to waste your time answering. Personally, I'd prefer not to.

It's already divisive though. It's lost damn near everything I loved about final fantasy in exchange for being flashy to impress the dumb teen gamers who won't have the attention span to finish a long game anyways. They tossed out the wide variety of characters and personalities in favor of four dude-bros with the most generic personalities possible, and easy to draw anime character designs. The combat system blows chunks, just like the KH battle system. It's a game designed to appeal to young weeabo teens, and it'll do just that. Kids that shop at hot topic will love having new characters to cosplay as and draw yaoi crap about. Final Fantasy it most certainly isnt.

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