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Are Handhelds = Consoles?

Yes 184 50.14%
 
No 126 34.33%
 
Its more complicated than that 37 10.08%
 
Who gives a shit! 20 5.45%
 
Total:367

Cellphones are PCs.



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bigtakilla said:

So to be defined as a console you have to have a controller you feel is comfortable?


Wii U not a console confirmed.



estebxx said:
also i already gave a big difference in the form of the screen size, from a personal stand point fuck small screens for gaming.

also you cant do local multiplayer in the SAME screen with a handheld.

Ah, so only the Wii U is a console then. :D



Conina said:

The primary feature of the old cell phones was making phone calls. Most smartphone users use their devices only for the fraction of time to make phone calls, the PDA functions and the internet access are much more important to them. The telephone function is "just another app".


And 100% of smartphone users would not own their smartphones if they didn't make phone calls. 99% of smartphone use is communitation through calls, texts, IMs, or emails. The telephone function is absolutely not "just another app." It's the primary reason they buy the phones. Everything else will always be secondary or tertiary.



DerNebel said:
KLXVER said:
Who is saying that handhelds are consoles...?

I've seen it argued a couple times by Nintendo fans trying to argue that Sony has to overtake the 3DS with the PS4 to become the market leader in Japan. Then arguing that in that case smartphones/tablets should be counted in as well results in a lot of spinning about why consoles and handhelds should be counted as one group in Japan while smartphones/tables are totally seperate and way too different to count.

Well, every major definition of gaming console I can find includes handhelds. Also, the smartphone debate brought up is just defensive bullshit. The definition says a console is a dedicated gaming device with some sort of visuals. Smartphones are not for the purpose of gaming. If you include smartphones into handheld consoles (and that would be valid based on the argumentation if handheld consoles are consoles or not) then PCs must be home consoles, because they can play games and can be connected to a TV-set.

Also the Sony-Nintendo-debate in regards to handheld consoles and home consoles is stupid at best. PS4 probably will overtake 3DS and PS2 is still ahead of DS. Sony-fans don't need to get this defensive, their team is winning in any case, whatever this does to ones feelings of self-worthiness.



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spemanig said:
Conina said:

The primary feature of the old cell phones was making phone calls. Most smartphone users use their devices only for the fraction of time to make phone calls, the PDA functions and the internet access are much more important to them. The telephone function is "just another app".


And 100% of smartphone users would not own their smartphones if they didn't make phone calls. 99% of smartphone use is communitation through calls, texts, IMs, or emails. The telephone function is absolutely not "just another app." It's the primary reason they buy the phones. Everything else will always be secondary or tertiary.

Well, not exactly, the metric of smartphone use to make phone calls is not even near 20% percent let alone 99%, however, you are right in that it its the primary purpose to own and or buy a phone



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From a development perspective -- yes. 

The days of being able to poop out a handheld game in 8 months with a team of 5 people while your main teams worked on "real console games" are over. 

Kid Icarus Uprising required the same development time that a Smash Brothers game would, Smash 3D required more or less the same dev cycle as Smash U. Mario 3D Land took two years to make, the same as Mario 3D World. Monster Hunter games took years to make. 

One decent 3D got on portable from a development perspective they effectively have become the same as consoles. In terms of sales categories, if you want to divide the two to get a more accurate read on the market, that's fine, but that's kind of a different debate. 

But functionally, yes. The next-gen portable will even be capable of graphics equal to or possibly even better than the PS3/360/Wii U which means you will have portable games that have graphics like this:

And this

 

This is part of the reason why Nintendo is going to have to unify their product lines -- no company (not Sony or MS either) can support two console platforms simultaneously. You will have massive software droughts without unifying product lines. 



baloofarsan said:

What is the Wii U?
Handheld or Home?

Casual dude, and therefore can't even be used for gaming.



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Mnementh said:
DerNebel said:
KLXVER said:
Who is saying that handhelds are consoles...?

I've seen it argued a couple times by Nintendo fans trying to argue that Sony has to overtake the 3DS with the PS4 to become the market leader in Japan. Then arguing that in that case smartphones/tablets should be counted in as well results in a lot of spinning about why consoles and handhelds should be counted as one group in Japan while smartphones/tables are totally seperate and way too different to count.

Well, every major definition of gaming console I can find includes handhelds. Also, the smartphone debate brought up is just defensive bullshit. The definition says a console is a dedicated gaming device with some sort of visuals. Smartphones are not for the purpose of gaming. If you include smartphones into handheld consoles (and that would be valid based on the argumentation if handheld consoles are consoles or not) then PCs must be home consoles, because they can play games and can be connected to a TV-set.

Also the Sony-Nintendo-debate in regards to handheld consoles and home consoles is stupid at best. PS4 probably will overtake 3DS and PS2 is still ahead of DS. Sony-fans don't need to get this defensive, their team is winning in any case, whatever this does to ones feelings of self-worthiness.

PS4 will never overtake the 3DS in Japan.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Home, due to the need of an external power supply.

DS, 3DS, Vita, PSP all need external power supply, without it you will not be long happy about them.



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