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Veknoid_Outcast said:
Aeolus451 said:


Sexism is a little too much of generalized term "one size fits all" in my opinion. It lumps everything from gender roles to rape into a confusing mess.  Gender roles or sexual stereotypes is open to debate whether it's bad at all if people can swap roles at a whim. I'm completely fine with anyone wanting to go the more traditional route or go for a more modern lifestyle. People should be able to do that without judgement from others in spite of political agendas.

Sexual harashment and rape is a different story. Those are a world wide problem and should be addressed in that setting. I disagree with any people trying to turn video games into some kind of battleground to fight sexual harashment and rape. It's not appropriate or the place for it. 

I don't quite understand the thinking behind the bolded section. If you see sexism or racism or discrimination in any field, video games included, shouldn't you make an attempt to stamp it out? Why should the video game industry be free of self-examination?

The only type of sexism really prevalent in the gaming world is sexual harassment but honestly, guys catcall or mess with women in some way regardless of where they're at. The gaming world is not the most logical choice to turn it into some kind of battleground for fighting sexism in general because it's the lesser of the offenders. What would it accomplish in changing how guys treat women overall?  Why should it be a target in the first place? Because it's mainly dominated by males? Why should a hobby be politicised for someone's agenda?

Only way to effectively stamp out sexual harassment is to raise males with more respect towards women and to better behave themselves around women. It's not the grand solution that activists would love but it would work.

The streets of New York would serve as an ideal battleground for it. Why? Here. 

To your first question, the vast majority of people don't do that or call it out when they come across any of those. Hell, reverse forms of those are practically endorsed in the US and many other places in the world. It's completely fine to be sexist against men or racist against whites in the states. No one wants to address the elephant in the room. Sexism or racism can't be fought with reverse racism/sexism. 



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When reality conflicts with some people's preconceived notions, then surely there's something wrong with reality, right?

So, surprise, every single credible study made confirms that videogames contribute in no way to either violence in society or sexism. But how can that be? Surely tumblr feminists can't be wrong, can they?


But let's do a thought experiment, let's say there was indeed some data showing any type of relation between videogames and higher levels of sexism.

So what do you purpose to do about it? Ban certain kinds of games? Put an age rating to certain games? Who would decide what games to ban/censor?

What exactly is it that the new age western feminists actually propose to do if in fact games were the problem they think they are?

I would love to hear more on that front honestly.



Johnw1104 said:
People who can fairly be said to be "gamers" as opposed to a casual madden/cod type are, in my experience, far more respectful towards women than your average man. Obviously that's just what I've personally seen, but I never bought that gamers were a sexist bunch.


Probably cause most of them would be fairly intimidated by a woman, lol. 

Most "nerdy" social circles aren't exactly swimming with women. 

I don't think the game industry is overly sexist, but the protrayl of women in games is (like the comic book industry) hyper-sexualized to appeal more towards males. Especially males who maybe don't get to interact with attractive looking women in their day to day life. 

Most people in "nerdier" social circles like Star Wars fans, Star Trek fans, video game hardcore, etc. I'd agree are "nicer" guys though in real life. 

But I don't think a game makes someone racist, sexist, etc. They either already have those attitudes going into playing a game or they don't. 



PxlStorm said:
Did that really need a study?

No matter how stupid or how obviousthe study is, these studies are actually incredibly important. Not to the average person, but to those in power. When money is involved, you need well documented facts and studies to support your claims, you cannot (well, ofc this isn't perfect, but you get the idea) just approach polititians or the government seeking funding without something to back you up. Getting all these "obvious" things in print is very important.



setsunatenshi said:
When reality conflicts with some people's preconceived notions, then surely there's something wrong with reality, right?

So, surprise, every single credible study made confirms that videogames contribute in no way to either violence in society or sexism. But how can that be? Surely tumblr feminists can't be wrong, can they?


But let's do a thought experiment, let's say there was indeed some data showing any type of relation between videogames and higher levels of sexism.

So what do you purpose to do about it? Ban certain kinds of games? Put an age rating to certain games? Who would decide what games to ban/censor?

What exactly is it that the new age western feminists actually propose to do if in fact games were the problem they think they are?

I would love to hear more on that front honestly.

Whether video games promote sexism in people is seperate from whether video games are rife with sexism, which can still very much be allienating and a change people want to see in the medium in order for it to grow. And the solution is quite simple imo, just call people out when their games reinforce negative stereotypes and under representation.



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My personal experience online is that people who are competetive get frustrated and agnry when they lose. Whether the situation be sports or a game of Dota. My sister can be a massive flamer, she's incredibly competetive (plays LoL). Every MMO I've played, same thing. If you're 10 people doing a boss and someone goes afk, people get angry. Surprise surprise. Harsh words gets thrown around, for sure.

Some little idiot kid in maplestory once called everyone niggers, but apart from that, I've never ever seen anyone care about gender or race or religion, or use these as ad hominem attacks. People are *gamers*, and that is it. Gaming is incredibly inclusive in that sense. If you're good at the game, then you're the "privilged white cis male"-equivalent of the gaming world.



teigaga said:
setsunatenshi said:
When reality conflicts with some people's preconceived notions, then surely there's something wrong with reality, right?

So, surprise, every single credible study made confirms that videogames contribute in no way to either violence in society or sexism. But how can that be? Surely tumblr feminists can't be wrong, can they?


But let's do a thought experiment, let's say there was indeed some data showing any type of relation between videogames and higher levels of sexism.

So what do you purpose to do about it? Ban certain kinds of games? Put an age rating to certain games? Who would decide what games to ban/censor?

What exactly is it that the new age western feminists actually propose to do if in fact games were the problem they think they are?

I would love to hear more on that front honestly.

Whether video games promote sexism in people is seperate from whether video games are rife with sexism, which can still very much be allienating and a change people want to see in the medium in order for it to grow. And the solution is quite simple imo, just call people out when their games reinforce negative stereotypes and under representation.

please elaborate. what does 'just call people out' mean exactly? moan on twitter? please do, no one's stopping you. censorship? if so, you're on the side of history of those who want to censor art. banning certain games? who makes the decision on what game to ban? what gives you or anyone the right to say what i can or can't play?

saying a videogame is rife with sexism... 'that's like your oppinion man'. feel free to not play it then and blog about it. if that's the extent you're willing to go, cool



No one on earth should be the slightest bit surprised by these findings (or lack of findings). This is the new "games make people violent" argument, strange that most feminist extremists choose not to promote the idea that games cause violent behavior, these two must surely go hand-in hand and fall under the same umbrella of societal problems and media influence.



setsunatenshi said:
teigaga said:

Whether video games promote sexism in people is seperate from whether video games are rife with sexism, which can still very much be allienating and a change people want to see in the medium in order for it to grow. And the solution is quite simple imo, just call people out when their games reinforce negative stereotypes and under representation.

please elaborate. what does 'just call people out' mean exactly? moan on twitter? please do, no one's stopping you. censorship? if so, you're on the side of history of those who want to censor art. banning certain games? who makes the decision on what game to ban? what gives you or anyone the right to say what i can or can't play?

saying a videogame is rife with sexism... 'that's like your oppinion man'. feel free to not play it then and blog about it. if that's the extent you're willing to go, cool

I don't think censorship has ever been brought into the question regarding sexism, thats the violent games argument often being pushed by people who don't play games at all.

I do however know of a lot of gamers who would consider themselves feminists or at least care about female representation both in and out of games, they obviously don't clamour around forums like this though lol. A key example is Ubi getting shit for not allowing female assassins in Unity and above all the reasoning that sounded really lazy. Given Ubi's history any informed person know they're not run by a bunch of sexists but still calling them out on the issue will make them think harder about it next time and promote the change that those "moaning" want to see.



teigaga said:
setsunatenshi said:

please elaborate. what does 'just call people out' mean exactly? moan on twitter? please do, no one's stopping you. censorship? if so, you're on the side of history of those who want to censor art. banning certain games? who makes the decision on what game to ban? what gives you or anyone the right to say what i can or can't play?

saying a videogame is rife with sexism... 'that's like your oppinion man'. feel free to not play it then and blog about it. if that's the extent you're willing to go, cool

I don't think censorship has ever been brought into the question regarding sexism, thats the violent games argument often being pushed by people who don't play games at all.

I do however know of a lot of gamers who would consider themselves feminists or at least care about female representation both in and out of games, they obviously don't clamour around forums like this though lol. A key example is Ubi getting shit for not allowing female assassins in Unity and above all the reasoning that sounded really lazy. Given Ubi's history any informed person know they're not run by a bunch of sexists but still calling them out on the issue will make them think harder about it next time and promote the change that those "moaning" want to see.

so the artists and the market at large will decide what will be successful or not successful. if moaning is all the new age feminists would like to do, then go right ahead. to be honest not having a female assassin in assassins creed seems less of a 'gender issue' and more of a 'first world problems' issue in my oppinion.

calling that sexism does a deteriment to what real sexism is (eg: women not allowed to drive in countries like saudi arabia)