EA and activsion didn't like the Wii with all the shovelware they sold on it?  Anyway whether they liked it doesn't change the fact that it was hugely successful and thus has them paying attention. So many people on here thought the Wii U would sell at worst 40m (back before it launched) simply because it was follow up to the wii, I imagine Ea and Activision were no different.

And a stage visit by an executive of EA doesn't disprove that claim unless you take "ignore" as literally as not sending them dev kits or not speaking/responding to them. Did Nintendo consult with them and ask what power they wanted from next gen hardware, what their ambitions were, what achitecture they were with, what power bracket they would need to meet to be in the same bracket as other platforms (PS4/X1). If Nintendo did ask those questions and responded with the Wii U then thats the equivalent of ignoring third parties, if Nintendo didn't ask those question, that too is ignoring them.

They are irrelevant commercially. People still talk about the Atari Jaguar/3D0/Virtual Boy, does not make them relevant. So in your mind, everything that gets talked about on VGC is relevant. Hmmmmmmmm. They may be relevant to you, to me, to other members on a VIDEO GAME FORUM, but to the world at large they are predominantly irrelevant.

That's not the point. Manufacturing costs for the gamepad made it so that concessions had to be made by Nintendo to the overall horsepower of the Wii U and keeping the retail cost of the console from skyrocketing. Funny enough the Wii U isn't that much cheaper than the PS4 (and recently the Xone) and Nintendo has yet to sell a standalone gamepad. I think given the choice most 3rd parties would have asked for Nintendo to drop the gamepad in favour of making a more powerful console. But perhaps you will argue that case.

The touchscreen on the DS4 is essentially a replacement for the "select" button on the DS3 because that button was replaced by the share button. Sony just decided to add in a small touch element to the select button which in this day and age probably cost them nothing.

Thanks to mention the games I was refering. Didn't want to hurt feelings but you actually mentioned. And even more with the overpriced Smash DLC.

I agree with your @bolded point, but that just reinforces that, ultimately, Rol is correct.

It is absolutely in 3rd parties' best interest to stick with Sony and Microsoft, as that is where the sales/money are for them.  And it is in Sony and Microsoft's best interest to cater to them for the same reasons.  Therefore, why would it make sense for Nintendo to bend over backwards to try and appease them when it will net them minimal results at best?  However, Nintendo doing their own thing can still sometimes be beneficial to them - the Wii is the perfect example of Nintendo pioneering their own path, and yet games like Guitar Hero and Just Dance proved to be enormously successful on the console for Activision and Ubisoft, respectively.

On the other hand, WiiU was a total mess; give the controller full "dual shock" functionality with a gimmick slapped on, try to bring in 3rd parties by having last gen ports while futilely throwing "Wii" branded games at it as a last resort, etc.

While, in theory, a Nintendo system with absolute 3rd party parity would be unstoppable, a Ninty console is simply not going to be the place that people go to for Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto as long as Sony and Microsoft are still around and doing what they do as well as they do.  Hence, why it is in Ninty's best interest to do their own thing.  They just need to avoid the identity crisis result that is the WiiU, which is the absolute worst path to take, and I think we can all agree on that.

Cool. Enjoy 40,000 units per week sold :P

Ok, here I go... Fifa is a uninspired cheap game that releases year after year (without count world cups) with practicaly any significant upgrade and a lot of overpriced dlcs yet its the most successful EA game by incredibly big margin with no signs to become irrelevant

Fifa being the top sport game must be a incredible hard task when football is the most praised sport of the world and your only competitor is PES

WiiU is indeed relevant. WiiU is still being sold, even if not many is sold compared to the competition. WiiU had games that sold 4.77mil MK8 or SSBU 3.39mil. If thats not relevant, then what do you call companies that had games that sold less, and trust me 95% of companies sold less.

Vita is still relevant, it sold less than WiiU last year but many small third party japanese company rely on it for profits, Sony keeps a profit on it.

Atari/3DO aren't relevant because they dont make any profits nor are they big into anything else that i know of...

Example, GCN has SSBM. Its relevant because SSBM still till this day has one of the biggest fighting communitys and only is topped by maybe SF4 in competitions such as Evo, etc.

You didn't understand his point. Read again.

Overpriced DLC in SSB? Dont make me laugh, do your homework before making this claim.

BTW we are talking about Fighting Genre, so stick to it and not MK8 as a comparison. You do not see how long it takes to do somethings as well which takes apart in this in DLC. There's a reason why for example KI releases the number of character it does in its timeframe.