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Mr Puggsly on 11 February 2015
curl-6 said:

On the second, I agree.

On the first though, I still routinely run into people who don't even know Wii U exists or that it's a new system, not just a Wii add-on. Their marketing has been terrible in this regard.

Yeah, there is definitely confusion about the Wii U. But Nintendo is to blame for that. They didn't do a good job at distinguishing Wii U from its predecessor. Hence, I have a lot to blame Nintendo for before I even blame 3rd parties for Wii U's failure.



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curl-6 on 11 February 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

On the second, I agree.

On the first though, I still routinely run into people who don't even know Wii U exists or that it's a new system, not just a Wii add-on. Their marketing has been terrible in this regard.

Yeah, there is definitely confusion about the Wii U. But Nintendo is to blame for that. They didn't do a good job at distinguishing Wii U from its predecessor. Hence, I have a lot to blame Nintendo for before I even blame 3rd parties for Wii U's failure.

Nintendo absolutely must take some of the blame. I just don't think they are solely responsible.



Clyde32 on 11 February 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
Clyde32 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'd argue Vita primarily just appeals to core gamers east and west.

Games like AC, Uncharted, and CoD did fairly well because that's the type of games the Vita audience wants. While some of those same IPs went ignored on Wii U because core console gamers don't want a Wii U.


So are you talking about the Average Consumer or the "Core" Gamer?

The average consumer doesn't have interest in Vita. Its in the realm of niche at this point.


Okay then, are we talking about the Wii U or the Vita?



Mr Puggsly on 12 February 2015
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Yeah, there is definitely confusion about the Wii U. But Nintendo is to blame for that. They didn't do a good job at distinguishing Wii U from its predecessor. Hence, I have a lot to blame Nintendo for before I even blame 3rd parties for Wii U's failure.

Nintendo absolutely must take some of the blame. I just don't think they are solely responsible.

They're fundamentally responsbile for the failure of Wii U.

Sony and MS don't just want 3rd party support, getting support is arguably their primary focus. Its gotten to the point they compete for advertising of multiplat games. They've been doing bundling of 3rd party games as well.

Nintendo's strategy has been a Mario game in every box and they get a niche exclusive on occasion. Nintendo did go to Sega for exclusive Sonic games and that was ultimately a terrible idea.



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curl-6 on 12 February 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Yeah, there is definitely confusion about the Wii U. But Nintendo is to blame for that. They didn't do a good job at distinguishing Wii U from its predecessor. Hence, I have a lot to blame Nintendo for before I even blame 3rd parties for Wii U's failure.

Nintendo absolutely must take some of the blame. I just don't think they are solely responsible.

They're fundamentally responsbile for the failure of Wii U.

Sony and MS don't just want 3rd party support, getting support is arguably their primary focus. Its gotten to the point they compete for advertising of multiplat games. They've been doing bundling of 3rd party games as well.

Nintendo's strategy has been a Mario game in every box and they get a niche exclusive on occasion. Nintendo did go to Sega for exclusive Sonic games and that was ultimately a terrible idea.

They are not solely reponsible for the failure of third parties on the system though. The third parties did a great job of messing that up themselves.



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Mr Puggsly on 12 February 2015
Clyde32 said:


Okay then, are we talking about the Wii U or the Vita?

Both. Different audineces.



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Mr Puggsly on 12 February 2015
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They're fundamentally responsbile for the failure of Wii U.

Sony and MS don't just want 3rd party support, getting support is arguably their primary focus. Its gotten to the point they compete for advertising of multiplat games. They've been doing bundling of 3rd party games as well.

Nintendo's strategy has been a Mario game in every box and they get a niche exclusive on occasion. Nintendo did go to Sega for exclusive Sonic games and that was ultimately a terrible idea.

They are not solely reponsible for the failure of third parties on the system though. The third parties did a great job of messing that up themselves.

But Wii U has 3rd party games that were well reviewed. Maybe you're giving them less credit then they deserve?

And again, Nintendo didn't do enough to encourage 3rd party support. They left and Nintendo didn't seem to mind.



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curl-6 on 12 February 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They're fundamentally responsbile for the failure of Wii U.

Sony and MS don't just want 3rd party support, getting support is arguably their primary focus. Its gotten to the point they compete for advertising of multiplat games. They've been doing bundling of 3rd party games as well.

Nintendo's strategy has been a Mario game in every box and they get a niche exclusive on occasion. Nintendo did go to Sega for exclusive Sonic games and that was ultimately a terrible idea.

They are not solely reponsible for the failure of third parties on the system though. The third parties did a great job of messing that up themselves.

But Wii U has 3rd party games that were well reviewed. Maybe you're giving them less credit then they deserve?

And again, Nintendo didn't do enough to encourage 3rd party support. They left and Nintendo didn't seem to mind.

Well reviewed perhaps, but still almost all late (meaning people already had them on other systems) or gimped somehow. (So there was no reason to get them on Wii U if you had other options)

Did Nintendo give them an ideal platform to succeed on? No. But they didn't give them an impossible one either. Third parties can't entirely escape the blame for their own products underperforming.



Mr Puggsly on 12 February 2015
curl-6 said:

Well reviewed perhaps, but still almost all late (meaning people already had them on other systems) or gimped somehow. (So there was no reason to get them on Wii U if you had other options)

Did Nintendo give them an ideal platform to succeed on? No. But they didn't give them an impossible one either. Third parties can't entirely escape the blame for their own products underperforming.

Fun fact, late ports have been successful on other platforms (OG Wii included). For some reason Wii U is the only console where late ports can't find success.

Nintendo gave 3rd parties a console where core multiplats are struggling to succeed. You blame the games, I blame the audience. Which is fine, if Wii U fans primarily just want Nintendo games well they can look forward to more of that.



Recently Completed: 
River City: Rival Showdown for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

curl-6 on 12 February 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

Well reviewed perhaps, but still almost all late (meaning people already had them on other systems) or gimped somehow. (So there was no reason to get them on Wii U if you had other options)

Did Nintendo give them an ideal platform to succeed on? No. But they didn't give them an impossible one either. Third parties can't entirely escape the blame for their own products underperforming.

Fun fact, late ports have been successful on other platforms (OG Wii included). For some reason Wii U is the only console where late ports can't find success.

Nintendo gave 3rd parties a console where core multiplats are struggling to succeed. You blame the games, I blame the audience. Which is fine, if Wii U fans primarily just want Nintendo games well they can look forward to more of that.

Lateness will always reduce sales, unless there are mitigating factors like the later version being far more desirable in some way.

If Wii U owners just didn't buy third party games full stop, LEGO City would not be approaching the million mark. Then again, that game wasn't a late, poor quality port.