So third parties are bad but it's okay if they make exclusive games?  Then it's okay to suck up to them?  Maybe you should make a better thread title.

Well, it's more than just being polite, of course, but communication is pretty important in business.

I always go back to the interview with guys from Bethesda and Gearbox.  They said they'd been in constant contact with Microsoft and Sony.  They were given updated information about the new consoles and were even asked for feedback.  Nintendo, on the other hand, was like, "okay, here it is, k thx bye."  The response from most western developers was a collective shrug.  

That's just not going to work.  It's not.  No competent business runs things like that.  

Would it necessarily change things?  Honestly, I don't know.  It is, however, a damned good place to start.  IF Nintendo wants third party support, which they were obviously aiming at with the Wii U, then you can't skip that and expect to do well.

The post where you said third parties are biased against Nintendo, yes.

I'm sure if Sony conditioned their users to just buy Sony games (by whatever method) and ignore 3rd parties, im sure many of their games would be gracing the top 10 list as well considering they dominate the top 10 for consoles sales :-/

This.

And this whole Nintendo vs the world thing has gotten old real fast. We wont spend the next 5-8 years on this nonsense will we?

speak for yourself ().

We know they had communication with EA (remember the unprecedented partnership?) and look how that turned out. We also know that Nintendo did talk to some third parties about the specs of the Wii U (we have that testimony from Team Ninja and Gearbox and it can be assumed that they weren't the only ones: http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=171023 and http://nintendoeverything.com/gearbox-nintendo-has-listened-to-wii-u-feedback-controller-specs-will-be-awesome/). We only know what we have been told and from what I've seen, Nintendo did take a lot of steps but not many third parties really cared.

I hope you aren't suggesting that Nintendo forced/conditioned consumers to buy their products, because that would be one of the most ridiculous statements I ever read.

Almost as ridiculous as using game sales to determine quality?

#1 and #2 are both true (#3 is an apples to oranges comparison) and this is in part due to Nintendo's long history of not so great working relationships with 3rd parties (such as the forced exclusive agreements during the NES days to having to use expensive carts as opposed to CDs during the N64 days among other things), and also the fact that they make sure everyone knows their consoles are first and foremost all about their games and everything else comes second.

On the flip side, Sony for example has no problem sharing the limelight with 3rd parties and in fact actively helps support and promote their products, from publishing and heavily promoting FFVII in North America during the PS1 days (which was a huge reason why the game and franchise became so popular in the west), to bundling AAA 3rd party games with their consoles to help them not only push hardware (GTAV PS3 bundle for example) but also to increase the public perception that their console is the premiere platform for said titles (upcoming Destiny PS4 bundle). M$ does the same thing, not only promoting its exclusives like Halo and Gears but giving 3rd party titles like COD and Titanfall a big boost as well.

As long as Nintendo refuses to elevate 3rd party titles to the same level as theirs and promote them equally, they will continue to suffer poor 3rd party support, and 3rd parties will rightly be biased against them. And anyone who says Nintendo games like DK Tropical Freeze, MK 8 and Mario 3D World for example are above and beyond top 3rd party AAA titles, well, that's a perfect example of why Nintendo's console sales are in the crapper these days and why 3rd parties ignore Nintendo.