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lucidium on 02 May 2014
Machiavellian said:

Why would people use those other devices.  I cut my cable box because the PS3 and 360 provide the on demand apps I need.  Consuming TV shows and movies on the PC/Laptop/Tablet is for bit size on the road scenerio.  I highly doubt people who watch their main shows use those devices when they have a console connected to their TV.  Also not everyone has a smart TV that has apps.  I do not and I do not play on buying a new TV until the ones I have no longer work.  From my understanding people do not replace TVs unless there is such a superios option or their current one break down.

I dunno, ask one of the...

Rank Provider № of Subscribers
1. Comcast 21,690,000[19]
2. Time Warner Cable 11,197,000[20]
3. AT&T U-verse 5,266,000
4. Verizon FiOS 5,170,000
5. Cox Communications 4,540,280
6. Charter Communications 4,158,000
7. Cablevision 3,197,000
8. Bright House Networks 2,013,145
9. Suddenlink Communications 1,211,200
10. Mediacom 1,000,000

59+ million cable box subscribers in the US alone..

Netflix and similar isnt needed if you have the channels for the programs you follow subscribed for on your cable box, and depending on how old/ghetto the box is, you are more than likely going to have the capability of recording said shows to your cable box.

elsewhere, ask a brit what they watch tv shows on more.. actual tv programming or apps on their games console.

Annnd... last but not least.. what do you think the IR blaster on the xbox one controls?, go on, i'll let you guess.



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cpg716 on 02 May 2014
lucidium said:
Machiavellian said:

Why would people use those other devices.  I cut my cable box because the PS3 and 360 provide the on demand apps I need.  Consuming TV shows and movies on the PC/Laptop/Tablet is for bit size on the road scenerio.  I highly doubt people who watch their main shows use those devices when they have a console connected to their TV.  Also not everyone has a smart TV that has apps.  I do not and I do not play on buying a new TV until the ones I have no longer work.  From my understanding people do not replace TVs unless there is such a superios option or their current one break down.

I dunno, ask one of the...

Rank Provider № of Subscribers
1. Comcast 21,690,000[19]
2. Time Warner Cable 11,197,000[20]
3. AT&T U-verse 5,266,000
4. Verizon FiOS 5,170,000
5. Cox Communications 4,540,280
6. Charter Communications 4,158,000
7. Cablevision 3,197,000
8. Bright House Networks 2,013,145
9. Suddenlink Communications 1,211,200
10. Mediacom 1,000,000

59+ million cable box subscribers in the US alone..

Netflix and similar isnt needed if you have the channels for the programs you follow subscribed for on your cable box, and depending on how old/ghetto the box is, you are more than likely going to have the capability of recording said shows to your cable box.

elsewhere, ask a brit what they watch tv shows on more.. actual tv programming or apps on their games console.

Annnd... last but not least.. what do you think the IR blaster on the xbox one controls?, go on, i'll let you guess.

Don't forget to add another 30 million for DirecTV and DISH..    

People love to say that Pay TV (Cable, Sat) is dead..     Its estimated that there are 115 million TV households in the USA.   Over 90 million of othem have Cable or Sat..    Average household has 2.5 people..  225 MILLION people watch Cable or Sat TV...   USA has 313 million people..   so 72% of ALL Americans have Cable or Sat TV...      the declines are nominal for real cord cutters.  It will be a good decade before the "death" of Cable or Sat is anything of REAL substance. 

The Xbox One's ability to still use the PREVAILING TV WATCHING method while also expanding into newer areas is a smart move..  anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention to what the real data shows..    Cord cutters ..  are a minority.    



XBLive: cpg716     PSN ID: cpg716  Steam: Luv4Tech77

Predictions on 12/01/15 - Generation 8 Totals:

PS4: 85-95m
X1: 55-65m
WiiU: 20-30m

BillyBong on 02 May 2014
cmay227 said:
rolltide101x said:

"lol" your inane, unknowledgable commentary is actually the pointless thing here

You still have not said anything that can prove me wrong...... 

All the One is to a tv is middleware. You play a game and want to watch tv you hit "channel up" on your controller and it will take you to tv channels (amazing concept right?) then when you want to play a game you hit "input" to play your game..... Why put wear and tear on a console over this? It is pointless

So I guess you only make phone calls on your phone? If the Xbox was made only to play games I could see the point your trying very hard to make. But it does not apply to something that is made for what people are doing with it . He is using the Xbox for what it is intended to do. Why do you have a issue with that?  Computers were not made to be used to stream netfix....but people do it, is that excessive wear and tear? Just asking...curious.


lo.. wear and tear it is.  what's the point of having a console on just to watch tv?  you watch tv everyday?  now.. do you watch netflix everyday?  that is the difference.  one serves a purpose.. the other doesn't.  the issue with the "pass through" is your console has to be on for tv to function.  now you have a console and a tv on just to watch tv.  how is that practical from a power consumption and wear standpoint?  like from an earlier post.. you like the fact that you draw up to 60% more power just to watch tv? 

here's the numbers:

Average hours people watch tv a week: 34 hrs (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/americans-spend-34-hours-week-watching-tv-nielsen-numbers-article-1.1162285)

Average hours people watch netflix a week: 8 hrs (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120906006400/en/Average-Netflix-User-Watches-5-TV-Shows#.U2OoA6IX0kg)

Average hours people play video games a week: 13.2 hrs (http://www.education.com/facts/quickfacts-video-games/average-amount-playing/)

Avreage minutes "streaming media" a week: 1.3 hrs (http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/newswire/2012/report-how-americans-are-spending-their-media-time-and-money.html)

So cut out the videogame portion and you are likely using your xbox 61% more weekly just to "watch tv".. Even if you watch netflix and play games, you are still having your console on an additional 33.8% more weekly just to "watch tv".  Yea.. the extra 33-61% addition weekly of having your console on to "watch tv" won't cause "wear and tear".  Not to mention up to 60% more power draw everytime you "watch tv".. so basically 2/3 life of your console will be due to "watching tv".   practicality at it's finest...



Man.. I hate it when your girl has to leave my place to come back to you..

fps_d0minat0r on 02 May 2014
cpg716 said:
lucidium said:
Machiavellian said:

Why would people use those other devices.  I cut my cable box because the PS3 and 360 provide the on demand apps I need.  Consuming TV shows and movies on the PC/Laptop/Tablet is for bit size on the road scenerio.  I highly doubt people who watch their main shows use those devices when they have a console connected to their TV.  Also not everyone has a smart TV that has apps.  I do not and I do not play on buying a new TV until the ones I have no longer work.  From my understanding people do not replace TVs unless there is such a superios option or their current one break down.

I dunno, ask one of the...

Rank Provider № of Subscribers
1. Comcast 21,690,000[19]
2. Time Warner Cable 11,197,000[20]
3. AT&T U-verse 5,266,000
4. Verizon FiOS 5,170,000
5. Cox Communications 4,540,280
6. Charter Communications 4,158,000
7. Cablevision 3,197,000
8. Bright House Networks 2,013,145
9. Suddenlink Communications 1,211,200
10. Mediacom 1,000,000

59+ million cable box subscribers in the US alone..

Netflix and similar isnt needed if you have the channels for the programs you follow subscribed for on your cable box, and depending on how old/ghetto the box is, you are more than likely going to have the capability of recording said shows to your cable box.

elsewhere, ask a brit what they watch tv shows on more.. actual tv programming or apps on their games console.

Annnd... last but not least.. what do you think the IR blaster on the xbox one controls?, go on, i'll let you guess.

Don't forget to add another 30 million for DirecTV and DISH..    

People love to say that Pay TV (Cable, Sat) is dead..     Its estimated that there are 115 million TV households in the USA.   Over 90 million of othem have Cable or Sat..    Average household has 2.5 people..  225 MILLION people watch Cable or Sat TV...   USA has 313 million people..   so 72% of ALL Americans have Cable or Sat TV...      the declines are nominal for real cord cutters.  It will be a good decade before the "death" of Cable or Sat is anything of REAL substance. 

The Xbox One's ability to still use the PREVAILING TV WATCHING method while also expanding into newer areas is a smart move..  anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention to what the real data shows..    Cord cutters ..  are a minority.    


Yeah thats all good but theres only 2 problems.

1) Cable TV providers are not going to give MS a dime for allowing their TV to pass through XB1.

2) To the vast majority of people who watch proper TV, XB1 only offers a tiny convenience which no-one will care if they dont have, and its not a big influencing factor when people decide which console to buy.

You explained brilliantly how TV is still alive, but people can still watch it even if they buy another console.



cpg716 on 02 May 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:

Don't forget to add another 30 million for DirecTV and DISH..    

People love to say that Pay TV (Cable, Sat) is dead..     Its estimated that there are 115 million TV households in the USA.   Over 90 million of othem have Cable or Sat..    Average household has 2.5 people..  225 MILLION people watch Cable or Sat TV...   USA has 313 million people..   so 72% of ALL Americans have Cable or Sat TV...      the declines are nominal for real cord cutters.  It will be a good decade before the "death" of Cable or Sat is anything of REAL substance. 

The Xbox One's ability to still use the PREVAILING TV WATCHING method while also expanding into newer areas is a smart move..  anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention to what the real data shows..    Cord cutters ..  are a minority.    


Yeah thats all good but theres only 2 problems.

1) Cable TV providers are not going to give MS a dime for allowing their TV to pass through XB1.

2) To the vast majority of people who watch proper TV, XB1 only offers a tiny convenience which no-one will care if they dont have, and its not a big influencing factor when people decide which console to buy.

You explained brilliantly how TV is still alive, but people can still watch it even if they buy another console.

 

Not with the intergration the X1 offers. I don't get how people don't understand that. The X1 makes GAMING easier, and more social then ANY other console EVER has. When you are watching TV ...  how do you know your friends logged on their PS4? You don't.. your console is shut off and even if it was ON, you can't tell anything going on it, because you have to swtich HDMI ports. 

Buy the X1 being INPUT 1 it will open a HOST of possibilities that the PS4 can NEVER have. This involves gaming and entertainment. This will ALWAYS allow for a greater intergration of GAMING and ENTERTAINMENT.  I think the realaztion of this technologically has ONLY just begun.  Microsoft can work directly with cable companies to at one point mostly elimate the cable box..   I think this is what you will see..     No different then what Fan TV, and possible the next Apple TV are also striving for.

I do think this will limit the X1 internationally, but could ultimately give them greater sales in North America and the UK. 



XBLive: cpg716     PSN ID: cpg716  Steam: Luv4Tech77

Predictions on 12/01/15 - Generation 8 Totals:

PS4: 85-95m
X1: 55-65m
WiiU: 20-30m

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papamudd on 02 May 2014

hmm, while I don't think tv is very forward thinking as more and more people do away with cable and opt into subscription services to provide their multi-media content; Not everyone has fully switched over yet so until then its not a bad move on their part. However, it is not future proof at all. Also whenever the Sony - Viacom internet cable sub comes out I'm sure it won't be long for MS to get access to that as well.



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

Machiavellian on 02 May 2014
lucidium said:
Machiavellian said:

Why would people use those other devices.  I cut my cable box because the PS3 and 360 provide the on demand apps I need.  Consuming TV shows and movies on the PC/Laptop/Tablet is for bit size on the road scenerio.  I highly doubt people who watch their main shows use those devices when they have a console connected to their TV.  Also not everyone has a smart TV that has apps.  I do not and I do not play on buying a new TV until the ones I have no longer work.  From my understanding people do not replace TVs unless there is such a superios option or their current one break down.

I dunno, ask one of the...

Rank Provider № of Subscribers
1. Comcast 21,690,000[19]
2. Time Warner Cable 11,197,000[20]
3. AT&T U-verse 5,266,000
4. Verizon FiOS 5,170,000
5. Cox Communications 4,540,280
6. Charter Communications 4,158,000
7. Cablevision 3,197,000
8. Bright House Networks 2,013,145
9. Suddenlink Communications 1,211,200
10. Mediacom 1,000,000

59+ million cable box subscribers in the US alone..

Netflix and similar isnt needed if you have the channels for the programs you follow subscribed for on your cable box, and depending on how old/ghetto the box is, you are more than likely going to have the capability of recording said shows to your cable box.

elsewhere, ask a brit what they watch tv shows on more.. actual tv programming or apps on their games console.

Annnd... last but not least.. what do you think the IR blaster on the xbox one controls?, go on, i'll let you guess.

Your post is interesting because So many people have stated that the subs for cable are declining a lot  Also the big name cable providers have Apps on the 360 and probably will do the same on the X1.  Even specific cable content and TV have Apps that are now on consoles.

Even the brits are having more of their stuff coming to Consoles as Sky and Now will be on X1 and PS4.  You are giving me stuff as of today but the industry and consumers are changing how they consume content.

The IR blast controls your TV, Stereo and any other component that hooks up to your entertainment system.  If you are saying it controls your cable box well it does not.  The pass through HDMI does that



Machiavellian on 02 May 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:
cpg716 said:

Don't forget to add another 30 million for DirecTV and DISH..    

People love to say that Pay TV (Cable, Sat) is dead..     Its estimated that there are 115 million TV households in the USA.   Over 90 million of othem have Cable or Sat..    Average household has 2.5 people..  225 MILLION people watch Cable or Sat TV...   USA has 313 million people..   so 72% of ALL Americans have Cable or Sat TV...      the declines are nominal for real cord cutters.  It will be a good decade before the "death" of Cable or Sat is anything of REAL substance. 

The Xbox One's ability to still use the PREVAILING TV WATCHING method while also expanding into newer areas is a smart move..  anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention to what the real data shows..    Cord cutters ..  are a minority.    


Yeah thats all good but theres only 2 problems.

1) Cable TV providers are not going to give MS a dime for allowing their TV to pass through XB1.

2) To the vast majority of people who watch proper TV, XB1 only offers a tiny convenience which no-one will care if they dont have, and its not a big influencing factor when people decide which console to buy.

You explained brilliantly how TV is still alive, but people can still watch it even if they buy another console.

Why would MS care if cable TV providers are giving them money for a feature of convience?

Are you sure about point# 2.  Looking at things today and not thinking about how MS will be expanding their options in the future I do not believe is looking at the big picture.  Convience is one of the main reason why people think about devices like Apple TV, Roku and other such devices.  When all is said and done, all the devices probably will have the same content but the one that does it best will gain the rewards.



papamudd on 02 May 2014

@fps dominator with at least 14% of the US population at the extreme poverty level you truly think that 72% of the US population has cable? that's crazy... those subscribers also consist of corporations not just* individual users. Every corporate building, and the businesses there within, hospitals...

 

*post edit



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

fps_d0minat0r on 02 May 2014
cpg716 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

Don't forget to add another 30 million for DirecTV and DISH..    

People love to say that Pay TV (Cable, Sat) is dead..     Its estimated that there are 115 million TV households in the USA.   Over 90 million of othem have Cable or Sat..    Average household has 2.5 people..  225 MILLION people watch Cable or Sat TV...   USA has 313 million people..   so 72% of ALL Americans have Cable or Sat TV...      the declines are nominal for real cord cutters.  It will be a good decade before the "death" of Cable or Sat is anything of REAL substance. 

The Xbox One's ability to still use the PREVAILING TV WATCHING method while also expanding into newer areas is a smart move..  anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention to what the real data shows..    Cord cutters ..  are a minority.    


Yeah thats all good but theres only 2 problems.

1) Cable TV providers are not going to give MS a dime for allowing their TV to pass through XB1.

2) To the vast majority of people who watch proper TV, XB1 only offers a tiny convenience which no-one will care if they dont have, and its not a big influencing factor when people decide which console to buy.

You explained brilliantly how TV is still alive, but people can still watch it even if they buy another console.

 

Not with the intergration the X1 offers. I don't get how people don't understand that. The X1 makes GAMING easier, and more social then ANY other console EVER has. When you are watching TV ...  how do you know your friends logged on their PS4? You don't.. your console is shut off and even if it was ON, you can't tell anything going on it, because you have to swtich HDMI ports. 

Buy the X1 being INPUT 1 it will open a HOST of possibilities that the PS4 can NEVER have. This involves gaming and entertainment. This will ALWAYS allow for a greater intergration of GAMING and ENTERTAINMENT.  I think the realaztion of this technologically has ONLY just begun.  Microsoft can work directly with cable companies to at one point mostly elimate the cable box..   I think this is what you will see..     No different then what Fan TV, and possible the next Apple TV are also striving for.

I do think this will limit the X1 internationally, but could ultimately give them greater sales in North America and the UK. 


Yeah but when people are watching TV, who really wants all of that? It just kills the immersion on the programme you are watching.

If anyone REALLY wanted to, they could just use the playstation app to see whose online, what they are playing, watch them playing and send them a message... and it wouldnt be getting in the way of the show they are watching.

And im interested in the 'possibilities' you talk of. What exactly are they? do you think anyone will even care if the PS4 NEVER gets it? do you think it will make even the slightest of difference?

X1 will end up with greater sales in NA and UK anyway because thats their strongest markets. The sales in those regions are good not because of this TV thing, but because thats where the xbox brand is the strongest, thats where people got titanfall for free, thats where people got the biggest price cuts, thats where their games have the most appeal.