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I think the name, "Xbox One" says it all. Remember the reveal with good old Don? One to do this, One to do that. This is just an extension of that original vision which kind of got lost amongst the DRM fiasco of the time.



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method114 said:
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
TheSting said:
kitler53 said:
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i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?


highly limited returns.  you aren't going to sway a gamer from one system to another with tv,.. you'll do that with games.   you aren't going to sway a tv consumer to buy a console with ~10 shows a year.   that's a massive ripoff compared to putting money into a competent tv service like netflix or hulu.

The key is that MS is not targeting gamers, they are targeting the family.  As your household get bigger, you needs change.  My needs today is much different then when I was single.  Its a easier sell to the wife when you can show a device that gives everyone what they want.  Trying to convice your wife that you need to drop 400 to 500 bones on something that take you away from the family never is a good conversation.

Yes the problem is this is clearly a failing attitude. How many gamers do you honestly believe are going to find themselves in this situation? Not only that what wife is going to agree with the xbox just because it can do what the cable box under her TV is already doing? Now one way I could see it being argued is if you're paying for another reciever and you removed the other reciever and just use your xbox one. Now you're saving money as well.

I'll be honest though I think investing in cable TV was a mistake. Cable TV is on it's way out, I think espicially with people who are involved with gaming. I still subscribe to cable TV but I haven't actually used it for a long time. The boxes are completely disconnected in my closet I watch everything off my HTPC. The guy who lives above me wants to get a PS4 but he's waiting for the media streaming features to return he doesn't have cable either.


Oh well MS is learning the hard way and hopefully they release a crazy powerful console next gen I have no issue jumping between MS and Sony. If MS does the same thing as last gen though when it comes to games (no new IP's/exlusives half way through) then I'll be hesitant to do that unless their machine is much more powerful. They did it with the 360 and I hated watching PS3 owners get The last of us and Beyond 2 souls with PS4 right around the corner. Alan Wake was the last new IP I got and I loved it.

You will be surprised how many gamers are fathers and husbands.  You do know people of my age have been playing video games before Nintendo started to make consoles, so yes there is a big world out there and you know what, theres plenty to go around.



Squeezol said:

So it's obvious that Microsoft doesn't just want games on the Xbox One and is already providing television features and wants to release new shows etc, but I just don't really get why they're doing this with the Xbox though. The Xbox isn't known at all for being a super diverse multimedia system and I don't think it will ever be properly seen as one. They could've just concentrated on games for the Xbox and not much else while working on a new system as a whole. I don't think their ideas are bad, it's just that I don't get why they're trying to merge this with the Xbox. If you're not interested in gaming you'll be paying too much for the hardware and if you are interested in gaming you might find this whole television thing useless and you'll buy a cheaper PS4. I just don't really get it..


The only reason why Microsoft is in the gaming industry is because Sony was always planning to be the all around multimedia hub of the living room. Look at Windows has accomplished with multimedia. They don't like people taking over what they consider their territory even when they are on other mediums. They considered their growth during the PS1 era a threat to the PC market. MS didn't come into the industry primarily for the sake of gaming. They can pay others to make the games for them while the eat up living room marketshare.



Garland said:

I agree, & I'm glad that Microsoft's plan of taking over the living room is failing hard.

People nowadays view TV shows, movies, etc. through streaming nowadays on such devices like Smart TV's, Smartphones, Apple TV's, Roku's, Tablets, & many more. Live TV is 1990's - Early 2000's shit.

It's only a matter of time before people start streaming sports as well. Like Method114 & Muffin31190 said, Cable TV is on it's way out.

But the X1 does streaming as well.  Actually it does live TV, Streaming on Demand with a few cable companies and apps for the other content including their own.  If anything, you have more options going with the X1 then with any current device.



VitroBahllee said:
Xbox One is on in my living room whenever the TV is on. The Xbox One turns on my TV and my Audio Receiver and my Cable Box. EVERYTHING watched in my living room either is generated by or passes through the Xbox One. Adding more to that cannot hurt.


So you add wear and tear to a console to watch tv? *face palm*



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BeElite said:

...just look at the sales.

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Pipedream24 said:

There is nothing new with what Microsoft is trying to do. Do you not remember when the 360 was the only console you could watch Netflix on? How about ESPN 3? And it's not like they are trying to hide it. They flat out stated with the 360 their goal was eventually take over the living room. It is all just coming to fruition on the Xbox One.

I just don't understand why Microsoft is being singled out by the gaming community for this. Sony is attempting the exact same thing with the PS4. You can purchase movies and music. You broadcast videos on the internet. There are a variety of different apps to use...but the PS4 isn't a media device? Come on...people making this argument can't truly believe it.

And what is wrong with it anyway? Yes, there are other devices in homes that can do the same thing. But it is really nice to have it all in one place. I love the fact that I can go from watching TV, to playing a game, to Netflix by voice commands. Being able snap apps while not interrupting a show or game is awesome. Having the Xbox one control my whole entertainment system is great.

Both the Xbox One and PS4 have some great games to play (The Wii U is crushing them both when it comes to quality games. But that is a whole other debate). Why not have all the extra bells and whistles.

Marketing.

The only time we hear about PS4 getting media features its usually in some random news or twitter.

MS announces their meda on stage as if the people going to those events care about watching TV. To add insult to injury its more expensive and technically weaker at least in terms of GPU, which is something gamers care about.

this is exactly what happened last gen to the same effect, PS3 had no gaemz its media features where irrelevant compared to the 360 which was touted as the games machine.



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celador said:
They want to control the living room. If a husband wants to buy something to play games on and his wife wants something to watch TV and movies through Xbox is a decent option I suppose


Thats the thing. The PS4 and other devices has the Netflix so that defeats the purpose of the X1.



SweetTalia said:

Weren't ps owners praising and bragging that ps3 had bluray and could do more multimedia than xbox 360? Now Ms is trying to up their multimedia features, now it's a problem to ps owners? See the hypocrisy ?

Look how well that turned out. Forget what the fans say for a moment. PS3 got wrecked in its US launch. It seems MS forgot that gaming sold the 360, and that Sony remembered



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Obviously MS plan is to take the whole living room. The fact that, despite wanting to do it with a console, it doesn't start from the games is due just to a silly accident: some exec at MS is reading the business plan upside-down. Or maybe Lardmer himself actually wrote it that way, either because he was under influence or he was pissed off about having to resign or both.



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