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masterchief999 on 30 April 2014

I see it as Xbox one is a great gaming console and the tv features are just icing on the cake.



8th generation console totals prediction

Xbox One-95 million
Wii U-15 million

playstation 4-70 million

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TheSting on 30 April 2014
kitler53 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
funny thread.

The console that really is a gaming console this gen with only / mostly games in mind is the Wii U and look how it is doing.

All these Apps and entertainment shows do not hurt their gaming performance. All it does is to offer more.
Do you think Halo 5 will be worse, because the WWE app just launched? Of course not.

MS made it really clear how big their investments in the gaming related things are, while other lose their staff or have to fire them. Look what MS was doing recently. They bought the Gears of War franchise and signed a multi year and multi game contract with Undead Labs a couple of weeks ago and they are still building new studios.

On the other hand they are getting their foot in the door with their TV Series and shows. And as long their gaming offerings remain as good as they currently are, everybody wins.


Actually I think this is a slap in Sonys face more than anything. Sony has a pretty big movie studio, but failed to use it for other ways of entertainment. It is funny that MS managed to build a movie studio, get the right people behind it and produce a TV series before Sony did this.

i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?



Squeezol on 30 April 2014
TheSting said:
Squeezol said:
TheSting said:
Squeezol said:
TheSting said:
Squeezol said:
random15 said:
Xbox is just the first step for Microsoft to try and get in our living rooms. Also with going with a game console you have a fan base from the get go and they do not have to start from scratch, if they fail they can just focus on games.

I understand that they have this base to start from, but most gamers don't care about this stuff and the PS4 is just mainly a better choice.


lAUGHoUTlOUD

Maybe I should've made a better reply there. What I really mean is that they don't care about it for the extra 100 dollar price tag. They also know that the PS4 will get more multimedia fuctions, thus for now the PS4 is clearly the better choice. And looking at sales people seem to agree.


Sales more means its better to you? Lol ok

In this thread the sales of the two consoles are very important..


You did not answer my question

I guess not, sorry. It doesn't. Why not? Because I'm only saying that for now the PS4 is the better choice. If the XOne ended up doing this TV combo thing well I will have a definite opinion on which console is better. But do you see the situation right here? XOne didn't really show this all-in-on entertainment device properly yet, and that's why people are choosing for PS4. It's 100 dollars cheaper, they aren't patient enough that Xbox will improve and they still want to play the next-gen games. And that right there is why I think Microsoft's tactic is flawed.



kitler53 on 30 April 2014
TheSting said:
kitler53 said:
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i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?


highly limited returns.  you aren't going to sway a gamer from one system to another with tv,.. you'll do that with games.   you aren't going to sway a tv consumer to buy a console with ~10 shows a year.   that's a massive ripoff compared to putting money into a competent tv service like netflix or hulu.



TheSting on 30 April 2014
kitler53 said:
TheSting said:
kitler53 said:
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i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?


highly limited returns.  you aren't going to sway a gamer from one system to another with tv,.. you'll do that with games.   you aren't going to sway a tv consumer to buy a console with ~10 shows a year.   that's a massive ripoff compared to putting money into a competent tv service like netflix or hulu.


Agreed about the games totally.



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true_fan on 30 April 2014

Just so I'm clear, it's good that sony adds value to ps+ but it's bad that MSFT adds value to an XBL subscription.z Forward Unto Dawn has over 10 million views on youtube and it's also on Netlix. They clearly have some games that would be great shows/movies I am excited for the added content, I do more than game.



BMaker11 on 30 April 2014
SweetTalia said:
BMaker11 said:
SweetTalia said:

I completely agree with some of the things you said but you failed to realize when Sony first came out with the ps3[2006], Multimedia and streaming  was not as big as it is today. Even cell phones are now smart phones..Many people never realy cared so much for that stuff. As the everything changes over the years, it is very much looking that an All in one device is the way to go for many people. This is 2014, not 2006. Yes, ps4 is more powerful than x1. X1 intergrate the multimedia features better than Sony's ps4 [at least to me].   Could it be that people are making a big deal of the whole tv thing on x1 because it's Microsoft? would they have had the same backlash if it was sony? something to think about O_o

I realize that it's not 2006 anymore, and if the PS4 had all those features, resulting in a higher price, like I said before, I would still say "PS4 has all this, that's why it's worth it". Problem being, I haven't been saying the exact opposite for the last 8 years. 360 being the cheapest console to get games/extra features don't matter was a talking point literally up til the XBone reveal when Kinect being bundled with the console and all the TV stuff was announced. Now "justified price" matters to Xbox fans and I'm led to believe that it is just because MS is doing it. I never said that the extra stuff doesn't make the XBone worth its value. But for a [general] group of people for 8 years to say extra stuff doesn't matter, only games, and then end up with an expensive console with extra stuff...all of a sudden it's cool to have extra stuff. I'm just calling out the hypocrisy.

Weren't ps owners praising and bragging that ps3 had bluray and could do more multimedia than xbox 360? Now Ms is trying to up their multimedia features, now it's a problem to ps owners? See the hypocrisy ?

It's not a problem to me. Like I've repeatedly said, it's good that MS is doing it, and if Sony was doing all the TV stuff as well, I'd say that it added to the value. And if PS fans are thinking this is a problem, then they need to stop (I don't notice it often). Things like this add value and consumers will see that and it will make the console do better. Higher price obviously didn't stop the PS3 from selling well. But two wrongs don't make a right. Just because PS fans did it shouldn't mean Xbox fans should turn around and do it.



Machiavellian on 30 April 2014
kitler53 said:
TheSting said:
kitler53 said:
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i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?


highly limited returns.  you aren't going to sway a gamer from one system to another with tv,.. you'll do that with games.   you aren't going to sway a tv consumer to buy a console with ~10 shows a year.   that's a massive ripoff compared to putting money into a competent tv service like netflix or hulu.

The key is that MS is not targeting gamers, they are targeting the family.  As your household get bigger, you needs change.  My needs today is much different then when I was single.  Its a easier sell to the wife when you can show a device that gives everyone what they want.  Trying to convice your wife that you need to drop 400 to 500 bones on something that take you away from the family never is a good conversation.



kirby007 on 30 April 2014

The XO is gonna get halo 5 it is a gaming console .... period



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method114 on 30 April 2014
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
TheSting said:
kitler53 said:
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i don't think all these other extras hurt things,. i'd never argue that.  in fact, i think it's these extras that have made the gen 8 transition so fast.  i mean, we're around 6 months in now and have ~11.5M units sold between ps4 and xbone.  that's amazing.  for a gamer like me,. that $400 price tag isn't so bad when i know i get quality gaming and all that other shit that i do enjoy.  i purchased my ps4 much, much earlier into this gen than i normally would.

...but i still don't seeing it doing anything to expand the audience for consoles.  my non-gaming fans are buying rokus and apple tvs and chromecasts and probaly fireTVs.  i think it is an inherently flawed PoV that thinks anyone would pay a $300 to $450 dollar premium for a device in order to have a feature (gaming) they aren't interested in.   consoles are for gamers first and foremost and pretty much exclusively.

Partly agree. Sony and MS are looking at both the same way. Gamers are heavy tv watchers also. Why not do both with us?


highly limited returns.  you aren't going to sway a gamer from one system to another with tv,.. you'll do that with games.   you aren't going to sway a tv consumer to buy a console with ~10 shows a year.   that's a massive ripoff compared to putting money into a competent tv service like netflix or hulu.

The key is that MS is not targeting gamers, they are targeting the family.  As your household get bigger, you needs change.  My needs today is much different then when I was single.  Its a easier sell to the wife when you can show a device that gives everyone what they want.  Trying to convice your wife that you need to drop 400 to 500 bones on something that take you away from the family never is a good conversation.

Yes the problem is this is clearly a failing attitude. How many gamers do you honestly believe are going to find themselves in this situation? Not only that what wife is going to agree with the xbox just because it can do what the cable box under her TV is already doing? Now one way I could see it being argued is if you're paying for another reciever and you removed the other reciever and just use your xbox one. Now you're saving money as well.

I'll be honest though I think investing in cable TV was a mistake. Cable TV is on it's way out, I think espicially with people who are involved with gaming. I still subscribe to cable TV but I haven't actually used it for a long time. The boxes are completely disconnected in my closet I watch everything off my HTPC. The guy who lives above me wants to get a PS4 but he's waiting for the media streaming features to return he doesn't have cable either.


Oh well MS is learning the hard way and hopefully they release a crazy powerful console next gen I have no issue jumping between MS and Sony. If MS does the same thing as last gen though when it comes to games (no new IP's/exlusives half way through) then I'll be hesitant to do that unless their machine is much more powerful. They did it with the 360 and I hated watching PS3 owners get The last of us and Beyond 2 souls with PS4 right around the corner. Alan Wake was the last new IP I got and I loved it.