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bigjon said:

selnor1983 said:

 You need to learn something about me. I dont care for review scores.

I loved Zelda 2 on Nes. I stopped playing Zelda because of Windwaker, and Nintendos general direction they were taking in the GC days.

Anyhow as I said, 13 years is more time than Ive given any company to get it right again. So Im done with FF. This isnt an overnight decison. Its a 13 year long decision.


Its too bad then. You missed Twilight Princess since you bailed on the entire series because of the direction of one game (which was by most considered a classic). I am not going to argue about your taste, FF XII was fun to me. FF XIII was a good game in itself but as a FF a disapointment. The only true steaming pile of turd mainline FF was FFXIV original, the other just were not great in a series where greatness had become expected. But again, that is your opinion that those game suck.

I am not calling out your taste in games as that is about what you like and it does not matter who else does got it. What I am calling out is your faulty logic. Every game should be given a shot. That shot might be reading one or 2 reviews then saying nope not for me, maybe you dive in and buy, maybe its a rental. 

 

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I didnt bail on Zelda perse, I bailed on Nintendo as a whole.

Funny enough Donkey Kong TF has mr buying a Nintendo again this year. As a nice secondary console.

On FF sorry I disagree. FF13 was a terrible game and an even more terrible FF. Im not here to change your opinion. I simply was answering the thread title as to why FF14 is not a BIG exclusive. No FF will ever be a big exclusive ever again. Unless Square makes a game where everyone catagorically agrees that FF16 or something is best the FF ever made. If that ever happened, then I might just buy an FF game again.

But right now Im not even remotely interested to read anything about an FF game. If only Hironobu Sakaguchi could lift the series he created. But thats never going to happen.



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selnor1983 said:
Because Final Fantasy is the very definition of a massive pile of turd.

Once upon a time Final Fantasy was Godly. The series was amazing.

Since 9 FF has been downhill. 10 was still ok. 11 terrible, 12 diabolicle and 13 is not even worth wasting my saliva over. Final Fantasy needs to go into the ground and never come back up.

Well, that's just like.....your opinion, man. 9 was great (first RPG, period, I ever played. And I loved it). FFX was so good that they made a direct sequel to it, something unprecedented at the time. Obviously it was more than "still ok". I never played 11 so I don't have an opinion on it, but you're an Xbox guy, and looking at how the game was received, FFXI had its undoubtedly worst version, by far, on the 360 so that may contribute to why you hated it. Because it's, otherwise, considered a good game. Especially since it was SEs first foray into the MMO genre. 12 wasn't diabolical. It added all kinds of new mechanics and a new battle system (that didn't suck).

Of the games you mentioned, the only one with a legitimate gripe should be 13. But that, admittedly, could be called a cash grab as it went multiplatform and then had 2 sequels to try and bring in as much money as possible (since SEs money situation ain't looking too good). The fanboy in me wants to say that's the Xbox's fault, and had they only focused one system (the PS3) like they originally planned, the games quality wouldn't have been compromised. That's all speculation, but the first time an FF went multi, it was a late port to the Xbox and was received poorly (XI) and the second time it went multi, while not poorly received, critically, there were lots of complaints and the two sequels got worse and worse. Then FFXIV comes around and is console exclusive and bam.....quality returned. Every exclusive FF consistently had quality, even the spin offs.



BMaker11 said:
selnor1983 said:
Because Final Fantasy is the very definition of a massive pile of turd.

Once upon a time Final Fantasy was Godly. The series was amazing.

Since 9 FF has been downhill. 10 was still ok. 11 terrible, 12 diabolicle and 13 is not even worth wasting my saliva over. Final Fantasy needs to go into the ground and never come back up.

Well, that's just like.....your opinion, man. 9 was great (first RPG, period, I ever played. And I loved it). FFX was so good that they made a direct sequel to it, something unprecedented at the time. Obviously it was more than "still ok". I never played 11 so I don't have an opinion on it, but you're an Xbox guy, and looking at how the game was received, FFXI had its undoubtedly worst version, by far, on the 360 so that may contribute to why you hated it. Because it's, otherwise, considered a good game. Especially since it was SEs first foray into the MMO genre. 12 wasn't diabolical. It added all kinds of new mechanics and a new battle system (that didn't suck).

Of the games you mentioned, the only one with a legitimate gripe should be 13. But that, admittedly, could be called a cash grab as it went multiplatform and then had 2 sequels to try and bring in as much money as possible (since SEs money situation ain't looking too good). The fanboy in me wants to say that's the Xbox's fault, and had they only focused one system (the PS3) like they originally planned, the games quality wouldn't have been compromised. That's all speculation, but the first time an FF went multi, it was a late port to the Xbox and was received poorly (XI) and the second time it went multi, while not poorly received, critically, there were lots of complaints and the two sequels got worse and worse. Then FFXIV comes around and is console exclusive and bam.....quality returned. Every exclusive FF consistently had quality, even the spin offs.

FF's problems started with Square after FF9. Hironobu Sakaguchi was fighting for his creation Final fantasy, and wasnt happy with FF10 and its direction. FF10 began the decline of adventuring. FF's problem in the last 13 years is no direction. Hironobu relluctantly left Square and his creation that is Final Fantasy. e was directly involved in all the great Final Fantasys. I have played every single FF game on its original platfform ( not the PS remakes ) Nes, Snes, PS1, Ps2, 360.

 

The PS2 and 360 games are rubbish in  comparison to Nes, Snes and PS1. 

Xbox had nothing to do with it. The people left with making FF games after HS left has everything to do with it. Not to mention the orchestral genius Nobuo Uematsu also left with Hironobu.



selnor1983 said:
BMaker11 said:
selnor1983 said:
Because Final Fantasy is the very definition of a massive pile of turd.

Once upon a time Final Fantasy was Godly. The series was amazing.

Since 9 FF has been downhill. 10 was still ok. 11 terrible, 12 diabolicle and 13 is not even worth wasting my saliva over. Final Fantasy needs to go into the ground and never come back up.

Well, that's just like.....your opinion, man. 9 was great (first RPG, period, I ever played. And I loved it). FFX was so good that they made a direct sequel to it, something unprecedented at the time. Obviously it was more than "still ok". I never played 11 so I don't have an opinion on it, but you're an Xbox guy, and looking at how the game was received, FFXI had its undoubtedly worst version, by far, on the 360 so that may contribute to why you hated it. Because it's, otherwise, considered a good game. Especially since it was SEs first foray into the MMO genre. 12 wasn't diabolical. It added all kinds of new mechanics and a new battle system (that didn't suck).

Of the games you mentioned, the only one with a legitimate gripe should be 13. But that, admittedly, could be called a cash grab as it went multiplatform and then had 2 sequels to try and bring in as much money as possible (since SEs money situation ain't looking too good). The fanboy in me wants to say that's the Xbox's fault, and had they only focused one system (the PS3) like they originally planned, the games quality wouldn't have been compromised. That's all speculation, but the first time an FF went multi, it was a late port to the Xbox and was received poorly (XI) and the second time it went multi, while not poorly received, critically, there were lots of complaints and the two sequels got worse and worse. Then FFXIV comes around and is console exclusive and bam.....quality returned. Every exclusive FF consistently had quality, even the spin offs.

FF's problems started with Square after FF9. Hironobu Sakaguchi was fighting for his creation Final fantasy, and wasnt happy with FF10 and its direction. FF10 began the decline of adventuring. FF's problem in the last 13 years is no direction. Hironobu relluctantly left Square and his creation that is Final Fantasy. e was directly involved in all the great Final Fantasys. I have played every single FF game on its original platfform ( not the PS remakes ) Nes, Snes, PS1, Ps2, 360.

 

The PS2 and 360 games are rubbish in  comparison to Nes, Snes and PS1. 

Xbox had nothing to do with it. The people left with making FF games after HS left has everything to do with it. Not to mention the orchestral genius Nobuo Uematsu also left with Hironobu.

Ye thats your opinion, I love XIII, think X is one of the best FFs and XII I dont realy like much but its fun. And the new version of FF XIV is actualy awesome, if it werent an MMO Id be playing it to no end but since I already play WoW and you cant realy fit 2 MMOs in your life and still live I had to stop playin FFXIV.

 

FFXIVs playerbase is hughe and the game is liked by critics and fans alike, the reason its not regarded as a big exclusive like Titanfall is simply because it was already out for 6 months on other plataforms prior to the PS4s release.

 

About Sakaguchi, the last FF he direct was VII, after that he was an executive producer he didnt have that much imput anymore and yet VIII-X are wildly aclaimmed FFs, and Uematsu is probably the greatest  videogame composer of all time but Hamauzus soundtrack for X and XIII are brilliant.



[PS4] Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (Square Enix, 04/14/14) – 31,326 (New)

That's why.



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bigjon said:

Both games are on the PC and last gen system. But for some reason people here and in general dont reconize that FF XIV is every bit as exclusive for the PS4 as Titanfall is for the XB1. Both games have just cosmetic differences from the last gen counterpart and the PS4 version of ARR actually has visual parity with the PC version.

In fact I would say FF is a bigger deal than some new shooter in a saturated market. FF IV ARR is the only true good MMO that plays well on a console, and lets not forget the fact it is an entry from one of the oldest franchises in gaming. Shooters are a dime a dozen these days.

I think the answer goes something like this. MS NEEDED Titanfall to be a system seller where as Sony is having trouble keeping up with demand as is and did not need to waste millions of dollars to hype it into oblivion.


Because Titanfall was a new game comming out only on X1 and PC with "revolutionary" first person combat that let you do so many cool things like wall run, play in giant mechs, ext.

FFXIV is a solid MMORPG that had already been out for several months on PC and PS3, so people who really wanted to play it already had played it.  

Also, while Shooters are commonly played on consoles by millions of people around the world, MMOs don't have as big of a fanbase on consoles, are are traditionally played on PC as a mouse and key board is typically easier to play them with.



selnor1983 said:
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Selnor, FFXIV is not like the Final Fantasy games you hate, because It has everything from the Final Fantasy games you like.

From the Summoning, Class System, Towns, Crystal Tower, Magics, Adventuring, Magitek, and Monsters from FF3-FF6.

Materia, Limit Break, Seventh Heaven, (Gold Saucer soon) from FF7

More to come in future patches.

 

Finally, if you haven't played the game then your opinion about it is invalid.



Mr Puggsly said:

Titanfall hype has little to do with its exclusivity. It would be a top selling game even on Sony platforms. Destiny is managing to do well with no exclusivity.

FF14 isn't getting hype because people don't want to pay the subscription fee. Same story with Elder Scrolls Online. Offline games in those series are mega sellers, yet the subscription based MMOs have modest sales. Do the math.

I don't think you could really call FF14's sales modest ^^; Last we heard (about a week ago) the game has 2 million users, with an average of around 500,000 daily players.

Still, what you said is correct. Sub based MMOs often have difficulty achieving high sales, FF14 has just been a rare exception to the rule.

I hope they announce the number of people that have gone through with the free PS3 -> PS4 upgrade. That would give us a much better idea of how it's doing.



deskpro2k3 said:


Selnor, FFXIV is not like the Final Fantasy games you hate, because It has everything from the Final Fantasy games you like.

From the Summoning, Class System, Towns, Crystal Tower, Magics, Adventuring, Magitek, and Monsters from FF3-FF6.

Materia, Limit Break, Seventh Heaven, (Gold Saucer soon) from FF7

More to come in future patches.

 

Finally, if you haven't played the game then your opinion about it is invalid.

Agreed. FF14 is essentially a hybrid of old school Final Fantasy and standard MMO themes.

The world and it's lore are especially reminiscent of the older games. They've really gone out of their way to pay homage to the series origins.

On a side note, the new Coil turns can go f*ck a dear sideways ¬_¬ So hard ;___;



selnor1983 said:
Because Final Fantasy is the very definition of a massive pile of turd.

Once upon a time Final Fantasy was Godly. The series was amazing.

Since 9 FF has been downhill. 10 was still ok. 11 terrible, 12 diabolicle and 13 is not even worth wasting my saliva over. Final Fantasy needs to go into the ground and never come back up.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/titanfall

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/final-fantasy-xiv-online-a-realm-reborn