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curl-6 on 27 December 2013
oniyide said:

sales prove otherwise, Goldeneye did well, thats one game out of many now how well did FPSs do on other systems keep in mind they both had much smaller install bases. You're grasping at straws, i tell you that most COD players dont even purchase DLC, now youre saying that its not about the actual DLC but what it represents? If thats the case then Acti might as well not even put the game on the system with that attitude.  Remember this is a buisness.

How do you know it will be unoptimised? they havent even shown it yet, its like your making excuses before it even drops

Sales show there is a market for FPS games on Nintendo systems. They can do well.

The DLC issue is about a version being seen as "gimped"; though not everyone may buy it, the fact people aren't given the option on Wii U pisses them off.

I know Watch Dogs will be a lazy unoptimized 360 port because almost every Wii U multiplatform game so far has been, and there's no evidence that this trend will change.



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oniyide on 27 December 2013
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

sales prove otherwise, Goldeneye did well, thats one game out of many now how well did FPSs do on other systems keep in mind they both had much smaller install bases. You're grasping at straws, i tell you that most COD players dont even purchase DLC, now youre saying that its not about the actual DLC but what it represents? If thats the case then Acti might as well not even put the game on the system with that attitude.  Remember this is a buisness.

How do you know it will be unoptimised? they havent even shown it yet, its like your making excuses before it even drops

Sales show there is a market for FPS games on Nintendo systems. They can do well.

The DLC issue is about a version being seen as "gimped"; though not everyone may buy it, the fact people aren't given the option on Wii U pisses them off.

I know Watch Dogs will be a lazy unoptimized 360 port because almost every Wii U multiplatform game so far has been, and there's no evidence that this trend will change.

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?



curl-6 on 27 December 2013
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
padib said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yep. Nintendo dug their own grave by once again by creating an inferior console that is barely above last gen standards (the second time in a row), but the problem is the casuals arent in to lure the third parties their way. Most of the serious third party titles never made it to the original Wii so once a good portion switch consoles and last gen consoles start to lose support the Wii U is screwed. The writing is on the wall and the shovel sticking out of the Wii U's grave has Nintendos own fingerprints all over it.

Question, did ZombiU not sell near half a million units?


Half a million in sales was mostly passable early last gen and mostly sixth gen. That and its mostly Japanese companies and indies who accept those kinds of sales these days because of their dwindling markets and their lowered development costs. We've spoken about this before. Ubisoft reported disappointment in Nintendos sales. Ubisoft profited off of every console and they sold better than any other third party on the Wii consistently with Just Dance.They broke into Nintendos casual market easily. It's the first tiime I've ever heard them express disappointment at all with Nintendo. 



Conina on 27 December 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No COD after Modern Warfare sold below 5 million on the PS3. You're grasping at straws.

COD 3

Wii: 2.2m

PS3 1.42m

Wii missed out on the series explosion with COD4 cos Activision screwed Nintendo gamers.

CoD 3 launch: Nov 14th 2006

Wii launch: Nov 19th 2006 (US), Dec 7th/8th 2006 (EU + Australia)

PS3 launch: Nov 17th 2006 (US), March 23th 2007 (EU + Australia)

When the PS3 launched in Europe and Australia, the hype train for CoD3 was long gone... no wonder that the Wii did better.

One month after the PS3 launch in Europe and Australia, the Modern-Warefare-Reveal-Trailer let CoD3 suddenly look very old: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/90j4qt/call-of-duty-4--modern-warfare-reveal-trailer



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curl-6 on 27 December 2013
Conina said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No COD after Modern Warfare sold below 5 million on the PS3. You're grasping at straws.

COD 3

Wii: 2.2m

PS3 1.42m

Wii missed out on the series explosion with COD4 cos Activision screwed Nintendo gamers.

CoD 3 launch: Nov 14th 2006

Wii launch: Nov 19th 2006 (US), Dec 7th/8th 2006 (EU + Australia)

PS3 launch: Nov 17th 2006 (US), March 23th 2007 (EU + Australia)

When the PS3 launched in Europe and Australia, the hype train for CoD3 was long gone... no wonder that the Wii did better.

One month after the PS3 launch in Europe the Modern-Warefare-Reveal-Trailer, CoD3 suddenly looked very old: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/90j4qt/call-of-duty-4--modern-warfare-reveal-trailer

And yet COD3 PS3 sold better in Europe than in the US...



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.

LOL...you make it sound like an amazing thing for Nintendo sell a million on a console that gained an installed based of a 100 million. Thats the problem...the games that were selling small amount were for the third party core market. Thats the point its NOT a third party core stomping ground. A game that sells twenty million elsewhere should not be applauded when it barely makes a million on the console with the largest audience all to itself. The you guys will defend Nintendo until the very end. 



curl-6 on 27 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.

LOL...you make it sound like an amazing thing for Nintendo sell a million on a console that gained an installed based of a 100 million. Thats the problem...the games that were selling small amount were for the third party core market. Thats the point its NOT a third party core stomping ground. A game that sells twenty million elsewhere should not be applauded when it barely makes a million on the console with the largest audience all to itself. The you guys will defend Nintendo until the very end. 

Over a million in sales cannot be achieved where there is "no audience."



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
padib said:
Fusioncode said:
padib said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yep. Nintendo dug their own grave by once again by creating an inferior console that is barely above last gen standards (the second time in a row), but the problem is the casuals arent in to lure the third parties their way. Most of the serious third party titles never made it to the original Wii so once a good portion switch consoles and last gen consoles start to lose support the Wii U is screwed. The writing is on the wall and the shovel sticking out of the Wii U's grave has Nintendos own fingerprints all over it.

Question, did ZombiU not sell near half a million units?

And it failed to make a profit, leading Ubisoft to scrap the sequel.

Profit's not the point in the context of what he was saying though, sales is. There is a market for these games, and a port may be more feasible than an exclusive.


Yes, but that market must prove profitable for future iterations to make themselves possible. Not only that but Nintendo is in for it because they have a console that is barely above next gen standards. 500,000 in sales was barely making it in the sixth gen and in the beginning of seventh gen.



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.

LOL...you make it sound like an amazing thing for Nintendo sell a million on a console that gained an installed based of a 100 million. Thats the problem...the games that were selling small amount were for the third party core market. Thats the point its NOT a third party core stomping ground. A game that sells twenty million elsewhere should not be applauded when it barely makes a million on the console with the largest audience all to itself. The you guys will defend Nintendo until the very end. 

Over a million in sales cannot be achieved where there is "no audience."


You know full well companies like EA and Activision were hoping to expand their profits. They aren't going to reinvest in development, marketing or anything else where there isnt enough profit. For a game like COD thats barely profitable. COD is a AAA game.