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blessedswine on 11 December 2013
sales2099 said:
I see this as a Gamecube gen waiting to happen....when even Mario Kart Double Dash couldn't save it.


the gamecube had some great games though,   Eternal Darkness is still one of my Favorite games of all time.  IMO nintendo should drop the price of the wiiU to 100$ and drop the tablet as a included device, but this is my own opinion i dont like using the tablet to play games, its just big, its a cool idea but its just too damn big for me and my wife to use all the time, also it eats up batteries like theres no tomarrow.  seems to always need charging



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mysteryman on 11 December 2013
blessedswine said:
when was the last time nintendo introduced us to a brand New Character, not a rehashed character in a new setting? i honestly cant think of a new character in Nintendo's Stable, where with Sony you have Drake and the Infamous guy, who were introduced last gen. with MS you got the Master Chief and maybe others i dont know about(im not a xbox fan) but with nintendo it seems you see the same old guys, Mario, Luigi, Link, & DK

I mentioned this previosuly, but what is the difference between a new IP and using an existing character/world in a completely new way?



mysteryman on 11 December 2013
blessedswine said:
sales2099 said:
I see this as a Gamecube gen waiting to happen....when even Mario Kart Double Dash couldn't save it.


the gamecube had some great games though,   Eternal Darkness is still one of my Favorite games of all time.  IMO nintendo should drop the price of the wiiU to 100$ and drop the tablet as a included device, but this is my own opinion i dont like using the tablet to play games, its just big, its a cool idea but its just too damn big for me and my wife to use all the time, also it eats up batteries like theres no tomarrow.  seems to always need charging

No offence, but even if you hate the gamepad, you should be able to see this is a horrible idea. It would split the userbase. Support for the gamepad would drop due to it no longer being included with the console, leading to alienating earlier adopters. The console was designed from the start with low latency streaming to the gamepad in mind. It would be a complete waste of resources (both current manufacturing and previous research and development) to start producing gamepad-less consoles.

With the situation the Wii U is currently in: shifting momentum and confusion over the difference between the Wii and the Wii U, a modification on this scale would be disastrous.

The gamepad is a solid idea, even Microsoft and Sony think so, or they wouldn't be making their own versions. That said, you can use a wiimote or pro-controller if you want. There's an official extended life battery, and you can always play with the gamepad plugged in for longer sessions.

The best bet is to push out more quality games, try and win over more third party support, and get the awareness of the product out there.



POE on 11 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
POE said:
Captain_Tom said:
POE said:
Please guys, stop with these brainless threads


Why is it brainless?

It`s stupid logic.
Just wait some months and you will see why.


So it's stupid because it is stupid.   Thanks for adding to the discussion...  


Yes.



burninmylight on 11 December 2013
toastboy44562 said:
I agree with OP,Nintendo, and its fans, think that old games with slightly better graphics will save the system but it will not. What casual fan is going to spend 300 dollars for the Wii U+ 100 dollar fit board to play wii u fit just to have better graphics. It's not gonna happen Nintendo Microsoft has a better chance of making it work because kinect comes with every system.


Lol, if you have a balance board already, you can get Wii Fit U for free with the purchase of a $20 pedometer. And anyone spending $300 for the system also gets a free game. But no, a casual fan would rather spend $500 for Kinect instead of $320.



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mysteryman on 11 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
FrancisNobleman said:
Captain_Tom said:

Well millions disagree with you.  The Last Of Us, Demon's Souls, Killzone, InFamous, Resistance, MAG, MGS4, LBP,  Heavy Rain, and Uncharted are games I could not imagine going through last gen not playing.  Guess what?  8 of those were 100% new IP's.  There isn't Uncharted Party 3 or Killzone racing.  Nintendo isn't unchallenged in the games department...


Guess what, apart of heavy rain and TLOU, I couldn't imagine myself playing those fucking generic and boring games you mentioned. It would give me aids. You like them ? Ok, cool story bro. 

Now the top 15 of most sold games of all time:

ALLLLL NINTENDO

Now the top 30:

All nintendo, minus 3 games from take two, 1 form microsoft and 1 by Sony and 1 by activision.

 

No one can match Nintendo son.

It's easy to have the highest selling games when there are so few.  Order of total software sold by Platform:

PS2

PS1

Wii

360

DS

PS3

 

Notice how even the juggernaught of the DS has had less software sold than the 360?   Also the 360 is close to overtaking the Wii, and the PS3 is on track to overtake both.  The PS3 just had too many exclusives release close to each other.  I didn't mind because I loved them all.  Oh and LOL at LBP and MAG being generic! I laughed pretty hard at that one...

 

So you like Nintendo.  Great!  But do you honestly think the Gamecube had better and fresher games than the N64, or the Wii the gamecube, etc...?


Bolded is one of the worst arguments I have ever read. It couldn't have to do with the quality of the games at all. Nope. The PS2 had a ton of games and two seperate GTA games managed to make it onto the top sellers list, how did that happen?

The PS3 released too many exclusives for them to sell greatly? So you're saying if TLOU, Demon's Souls and Killzone hadn't been released, the others would have skyrocketed up the all-time top-seller's list?

I don't know how you can say that the Wii didn't have a lot of fresh ideas for games, they were going crazy with motion controls, and hinged the success of the whole console on the premise. A few more games to add to the list:

N64:
Pokemon Snap

Gamecube:
Luigi's Mansion
Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Super Mario Strikers
Donkey Konga
Battallion Wars
Eternal Dakness

Wii:
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
Red Steel
Super Paper Mario (3D shift mechanic)
Xenoblade Chronicles(?)
Zack and Wiki
Trauma Centre
Rhythm Heaven Fever

Wii U:
Nintendoland
Game+Wario
Wonderful 101
New Super Luigi U (focus on speedrunning mixes up the game)
Zombi U (great immersion with the gamepad)

There's planty of innovaative software on each system, and the Wii U is too early in it's life to judge yet, but as long as we get more asymmetric gameplay a la Nintendoland, it'll be fine.



arcane_chaos on 11 December 2013

i'm telling you now;

if nintendo finally did what everybody has been asking for for years; DO A FULL FLEDGE 8(OR 16) BADGES POKEMON GAME!! the Wii U will be saved!

...well atleast I'd buy one :p



blessedswine on 11 December 2013
mysteryman said:
blessedswine said:
sales2099 said:
I see this as a Gamecube gen waiting to happen....when even Mario Kart Double Dash couldn't save it.


the gamecube had some great games though,   Eternal Darkness is still one of my Favorite games of all time.  IMO nintendo should drop the price of the wiiU to 100$ and drop the tablet as a included device, but this is my own opinion i dont like using the tablet to play games, its just big, its a cool idea but its just too damn big for me and my wife to use all the time, also it eats up batteries like theres no tomarrow.  seems to always need charging

No offence, but even if you hate the gamepad, you should be able to see this is a horrible idea. It would split the userbase. Support for the gamepad would drop due to it no longer being included with the console, leading to alienating earlier adopters. The console was designed from the start with low latency streaming to the gamepad in mind. It would be a complete waste of resources (both current manufacturing and previous research and development) to start producing gamepad-less consoles.

With the situation the Wii U is currently in: shifting momentum and confusion over the difference between the Wii and the Wii U, a modification on this scale would be disastrous.

The gamepad is a solid idea, even Microsoft and Sony think so, or they wouldn't be making their own versions. That said, you can use a wiimote or pro-controller if you want. There's an official extended life battery, and you can always play with the gamepad plugged in for longer sessions.

The best bet is to push out more quality games, try and win over more third party support, and get the awareness of the product out there.

see now if somewhere, anywhere on the box or at the stores someone told me i could use the pro remote instead of the gamepad i would have picked a WiiU up, the gamepad is just too big for tv use, also theres already confusion surround the WiiU, when i first saw it i thought it was a new version of the Wii not a whole new console, Nintendo should have never named it WiiU,  i get the idea of the Gamepad, i use my Vita currently to remote play and such.  but i just dont want to hold a tablet size controller the whole time i play a zelda game thats 40+ hours long.  if the Pro Remote will work for more then a second controller then i may pick up a WiiU.



blessedswine on 11 December 2013

the lost of some of thier 3rd party support has made the WiiU for alot a second console not thier primary.



Hedra42 on 11 December 2013

For Gamecube there's Luigi's Mansion.

Wii U - Super Mario 3D World is not a sequel (although there 's 3D Land on the 3DS which is pretty similar)


Wonderful 101 is new.