@Bolded: We are not talking about specs, we are talking about developers who have experience actually coding to the PS4 and the X1.  That was always the point of discussion.  Yes developers do have to be measured based on past work.  Why would I care about a developer who can barely make a passable game compared to someone from Naught Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Valve, ID, Dice, you name it.

You missed the point of comparison with last gen.  The point is not about the hardware but the capabilities of different developers.  I was using last gen to show that even high profile developers like Carmack and Gabe can have a negative opinion but it does not mean the hardware is not up to the task.  I used last gen to show that all developers are not equal, that you have some that are ahead of other companies.  This doesn't really change with new hardware unless you get a lot of turnaround within those companies.

You are stating the obvious on the bolded point.  I am telling you without knowing the source it could be anyone.  Hell, it could be the janitor who overheard a conversation for all we know.  It doesn't need to be a conspiracy but then with anything you still have to take any anon source with a grain of salt.  When the NDAs are over and the consoles are out, then we will be getting info from sources that do not have to hide behind anon that we can measure their capabilities to determine the validity of comments.   Maybe its mean but I just do not take the word of someone just because they happen to be writing for a website. I do the same for things like the News.  Just because a Jorno tells me something doesn't mean I do not vex what they say for any slant.

Man you are so wrong. Your logic is illogical. We are talking about devs having knowledge of both machines, not coding. It doesn't matter who's coding, or their talent at coding. The fact that you keep making these arguments makes me think you are going to disagree with anything anyone says anything that doesn't make the One equal to the PS4.

Your current gen argument is still completely invalid. You shouldn't make comparisons of this gen and next. Absolutely nothing is the same as this gen. PS4 has better architecture and substantially more powerful hardware. PS4 games will always look and play better as long as the developer doesn't purposely gimp their game. PS4 by all acounts is also easier to code for. PS4 has a pretty large advantage in every area of hardware. No amount of coding and optimization will make up that gap. Nothing like the current gen. That is why any comparisons are pointless and invalid.

So you are telling me that every time you hear something on the news, or read something on a news site, you don't believe anything they say unless they out their sources? You must not believe in very much then. I can't believe you have the nerve to sit here and basically call all jurnos who use anon sources are liars who's sources are not only invalid but just some dumb schmuck that doesn't know what he's talking about. That is the definition of conspiracy. What you are doing is as bad as what you are accusing these jurnos of doing. Plus you have absolutely no proof of your crazy claims. Even when the NDA is over, a ton of sources will remain anon because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. You don't want to believe jurno after jurno citing devs from feb until now saying basically the same thing about PS4 being more powerful, more power to you. Just don't sit here and trivialize something just because you don't like it. No matter what argument you try to make to justify your beliefs, you are just plain wrong.

On serious question although it might be a little off topic.

Despite the seamingly obvious power difference of the two plattforms, nearly everyone is saying that it will take time to see differences in Games, because developers need to get used to a plattform to fully utilize it.

While this makes sense vor all the consoles in the past, Xbone and PS4 are basically PCs, right?
Sure the SDKs, including drivers and software will be different, but the basic structure and hardware is known for years.

So why shall it take so much time and not be visible right from the start?

Nextgen is already here btw.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq7-hTVP9AE (Crysis HS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJx-iBco9Ms (Skyrim HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmTPk9jQ5zs (GTA 4 HD)

A capable PC, a hdmi cable and a controller is all you need. ;)

@Bolded: You are right, I have no clue what you are talking about.  You either have experience doing something or you do not.  Someone off the street cannot come to me and tell me how to develop a web site if they never actually coded one.  I am not talking about someone creating the nice pretty pictures on the site, I am talking about all the coding behind the scenes that is needed to make it work.  You cannot have knowledge of something if you have not actually coded to that piece of hardware.  What you are saying doesn't make sense. How can a developer tell you how to extract performance from any piece of hardware if they never actually did the work.

As for the power between the 2 consoles, I do not care if the X1 is more powerful or whatever to the PS4, I never cared.  I leave those debates to fanboys.  What I do care about is the information I am given.  My argument has never been about if the PS4 is more powerful than the X1, its always been about the source of the information.

Do You know what is the same between this gen and last gen , the developers.  You either have the skill sets or you do not.  There is no magic that makes a developer better just because the hardware change.  As you keeping missing the point, I am not comparing hardware, I am comparing developer talent.  This is something totally different than what you are stating.  You keep going on about power this and that.  Having better specs on the hardware end does not make the DEVELOPER better.  

At 2nd bolded point, do you have a clue what you are saying.  Do you actually do any coding or are you just making this stuff up as you go.  How do you know what can and cannot be done.

At 3rd Bolded point:  I question why would you always believe info you read from internet sites or get from news channel without actually knowing if its true.  I certainly do not and always do my own research.  If you do not thats fine but I have learned from years of experience to never trust any source unless I understand what is said and verify myself if its true.  I do not go around believing something just because it came from some website or news channel.

At 4th bolded point.  Yep, you got it.  I do not trust any source that cannot be confirmed.  I take those sources with a grain of salt unless I can confirm what is stated.  Its up to the jorno to prove their sources are legit not for me to trust in them.  You call it consipiracy, I call it keeping a level head and understanding that there are tons of misinformation reported daily from so called reputable sources.

As for proof of my crazy claims as you state, I am only using my experience as a developer for over 20 years, what are you using for your argument?  You believe I am dismissing information, I never claimed that.  I stated that until I can verifiy the source of the information it will always be suspect for me. 

The difference will be apparent day one, but it'll also increase over time. Launch games will be closer than games 5 years from now.

I think it's a safe bet to say that ND and SMS are ahead of GG. After all, they're not developing launch games. So when we finally see what they're cooking, they will have had more time with the hardware.

Your arguments is invalid. You jumped in an argument about the comparison of the consoles power. Then you took an example I used to make my point and argued against that instead of what the original argument was about. I don't care how well a dev can code. That is not the argument. I agree with you that all devs aren't equal, but who cares, that wasn't the original argument. Like I said before, you don't have to be the best coder in the world to understand hardware, architecture and its theoretical capabilities. Hell you don't have to be a dev. You have to do research. I don't know why you keep going on this rant like I ever once said all devs can code the same, or better specs makes you code a better. I never ever ever said that because I don't think that.

You can have knowledge of something without coding to it. Like I said before there is such a thing as research. Better hardware with very similar architecture, with the edge going to the better hardware means no amount of coding can close the performance gap. Being a dev I would think you would know that.

Your theory that anonymous sources are just some random jack off instead of knowledgeable people is just what I keep calling it, a conspiracy theory. You are generalizing all anonymous sources by suggesting they all could just be joe schmoes unless they are outed. Most of the time they are giving you info you can't readily confirm, and would get them in trouble if you could. The thing is it's usually the journalist who is the unreliable source of info and not the anonymous source. Good jurnos always have good sources of info and make sure their sources are credible before putting out info, bad jurnos spread bad info and don't check there sources credibility.

I jumped into the part where you stated developers know about something they have no experience using.  That has always been my argument.  I care not for the willy waving on which console has the most power. You made a point i felt was not valid and I gave you examples whether you liked them or not to that effect.  You do not have to care about how well a dev can code but it makes no sense to trust in someone ability if they cannot perform their job well.  If I was going to see a doctor and I knew what his grades are in college, why would I go to the C student instead of the A student.  Why would you value the C student word over the A student.  This would be no different with a developer.  If one developer says something is to complex or i cannot wrap my head around it, but a more accomplished developer says opposite, then I would side with the more accomplish developer

@Bolded:  How??  How can someone actually tell you about performance of a device without actually coding to it.  I have absolutly no clue how this can be done reliably.  You mention better hardware how do you know all parts of the hardware is better.  The only true better spec is the GPU.  Even with the memory, who can tell how each one can be used for better performance.  Is it easier on the PS4 end, yes, but easier doesn't make it better and each comes with pros and cons no layman knows how they effect the total system without actually using the tools provided by both companies to extract performance from those systems.

@ 2nd Bolded.  There is no theory, this is my opinion on how I trust anon sources.  Without being able to verify who these sources are they will always be suspect.  I care not why a source feel the need to release info they are signed into agreement not to share.  I only care about the information is the truth and without verification of the source or the information, I have no reason to believe it on blind faith until proven different.  

I guess you don't get it. You made an argument when there was none. You are sitting here trying to tell me that this jurno's anonymous source is some crap dev who doesn't know how to code? Your argument as well as your logic are crap. Moot. Null. Void. You threw yourself into anrgument you had nothing to do with so you could argue with me about something I never said. A crap dev will know just as much about a platforms performance as a great dev. The problem comes in at coding, not knowledge of hardware. But since you're a dev, you would know that.

I can see now that you are comepletely clueless, and I highly doubt you are a dev. Maybe a website dev, but I think you are lying. You are clueless if you think you have to code for a machine to know its theoretical performance. Like I said in an earlier post....There are harware engineers. There are people who do reasearch and know PC hardware and architecture as well as the pros.

Again you show your true colors. The real reason you are arguing with me is bolded. Don't try to say that's not the reason again please. You are absolutely wrong on that point also. PS4 is better in every way possible. Better GPU, better RAM, better system architecture, less OS overhead, better dev tools. You can deny this all you want, but it is true and I am right. Any one that has an inkling about PC tech knows that PS4 memory architecture is not only more simple than the Ones, it has better performance to boot. Any dev that has an inkling about what they are doing will tell you no amount of coding can close the gap because the architecture is so similar, with the PS4's being better.

Your opinion is a theory, and a pretty crappy one at that. Opinions can be theories. Your theory is that anonymous sources are not to be trusted unless they are outed. That is a theory and an opinion. History has proved them wrong. Watergate.....an anonymous source called depthroat. We learn that the NSA was spying on us through an anonymous source until the gov't outed him. Plenty of reliable info comes from anon sources. Just because they are saying something you don't like doesn't mean all anon sources are all of a sudden untustworthy joe schmoes who don't really know anything. You are lumping every dev that has put their two cents in on this discussion as crappy devs because they want to remain anonymous. Does that really make sense to you? Does that really sound logical?