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trixiemafia86 said:
Shinobi-san said:
I honestly dont think we've seen these levels of delusion at vgchartz in a loong time. The last time things were this bad was when Sony fans were proclaiming after every PS3 price cut how its going to start selling like crazy... that never ever happened.

For me its very simple. Think of Sony and MS as two guys who needed to build a $400 - $500 gaming machine.

Sony decided to buy better hardware for performance. MS decided to add a camera with some awesome capabilities with less focus on performance. The hardware reflects where the money was spent.

When i first heard the specs of these consoles, i honestly thought tech discussions on next gen consoles would be boring as fuck, given how simple the architectures are and how easy they are to compare. Yet here we are arguing over whats painfully simple and obvious.

And to those saying lets wait for Digital Foundry..i say screw that. I dont need digital foundry to tell me that a 7850-7870 hyrbid type GPU/ jaguar APU setup is better than a 7770-7790 hybrid GPU/ jaguar core APU setup.

Almost every other part of the system will simply make the systems more efficient. But those are the two main processing units and both systems are limited to their theoretical compute limits.

End of discussion!

...imo

Sums everything up. MS clearly focused on kinect. I actually expected MS to have the more powerful console given sony's current financial situation, but they chose to spend the money on kinect. I'm not saying that's a bad thing since we have to wait and see how games use the more powerful kinect.

Yep. I think its weird though that MS are engaging in these kinda discussions. They also havent really focused on Kinect apart from the functionality that it adds to the OS. Theres been almost no major Kinect game showings or demos. I've seen more footage of playroom than of any kinect title.

Not sure what's happening over at MS at the moment. They should be pushing Kinect from a gaming perspective really hard right now. Its the only major difference(and advantage) between the Xbone and competitors.

MS needs to get its house in order and get back to the way they were.



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Nsanity said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
Nsanity said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
Nsanity said:

This reads something like the pro Sony Thuway over on NeoGaf would have posted:

"if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers"


No it sounds like the truth and its bullshit. 

Truth from a source who has no name.

Its been a policy for ms. Their pokicy have been holding back gaming this whole gen. And next gen isnr goinf to be any different. 

Care to elebarote?


They have archaic policies that basically say "You can't make theirs better than ours."  They have been holding gaming back for years, and I can't wait for them to GTFO!



Yep. I think its weird though that MS are engaging in these kinda discussions. They also havent really focused on Kinect apart from the functionality that it adds to the OS. Theres been almost no major Kinect game showings or demos. I've seen more footage of playroom than of any kinect title.

Not sure what's happening over at MS at the moment. They should be pushing Kinect from a gaming perspective really hard right now. Its the only major difference(and advantage) between the Xbone and competitors.

MS needs to get its house in order and get back to the way they were.


It is completily idiotic that they are talking about performance.  If they were smart, they would have said "They are basically the same," and then went on with their business.   But like before they continue to only focus on the negatives.   

 

I swear they just keep playing into Sony's traps like they are trying to sabotage themselves...



realgamer said:
kitler53 said:
multiplats are going to look the same regardelss because that's what multiplats do. ..develop the the lowest common denominator.

..but naughty dog and santa montica are going to kick the living crap out of whatever MS's top studios are.


Yeah ok keep dreaming about it 


too much irony on your name.., it should be realxboxgamer, and everybody's gonna be happy about that, shown your true color from the start, since the REAL real gamer would only play games.., not play console...



kitler53 said:
multiplats are going to look the same regardelss because that's what multiplats do. ..develop the the lowest common denominator.

..but naughty dog and santa montica are going to kick the living crap out of whatever MS's top studios are.

why do people always skip of Guerrilla Games and the Killzone series when the mention studios/games that look the best on consoles.

I would argue that Killzone 3 looks as Good or nearly as good, as The Last of Us,God of War: Ascension and Uncharted 3, and looks better than everything else on consoles.

Sorry, it just bugs me the GG always seems to be left out, they are such an underrated developer.



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This is amusing.., several people still defending the XboxOne due the inferiority, and hoping it's magically will be on par in terms of graphics, no man.., Lol..., no.., once again no...^^, MS already made its Choice, and that's definitely not graphics, if you're really that persistent in defending it, i feel sorry for you. If you want buy Xbox because it's amazing exclusive, please DO!!, please..!!, be my guest!!, I really mean it!!, but once again, you got to accept the truth about the power wise, and you know that, Y'now what, I really don't get you (xbox fan) this time, if you really desperately wants your console to be powerful, why don't you also buy a PS4 instead ? (since it seem more focused on graphics), why you're still hoping the Xbox One to match it ??, why..??, and it's even CHEAPER for god sake.., what's holding you??, please tell me..?, honestly ? :(



This is really starting to hurt my head. Anyone without fanboy glasses and basic understanding of tech knows that PS4 will have upper hand this gen as both have indentical architecture (unlike PS3 and X360) when it comes to CPU and GPU with the difference that PS4 GPU is just all around better (more shader units, rops etc.). Then there is memory setup that is better in PS4. This doesn't mean that Xbox one will not have good looking games but PS4 will graphical advantage. It also doesn't mean that PS4 is going to sell more solely based on this as it's the games that matter. Just accept this and move on so this coming gen will be a lot easier for you.



Shinobi-san said:
trixiemafia86 said:

Sums everything up. MS clearly focused on kinect. I actually expected MS to have the more powerful console given sony's current financial situation, but they chose to spend the money on kinect. I'm not saying that's a bad thing since we have to wait and see how games use the more powerful kinect.

Yep. I think its weird though that MS are engaging in these kinda discussions. They also havent really focused on Kinect apart from the functionality that it adds to the OS. Theres been almost no major Kinect game showings or demos. I've seen more footage of playroom than of any kinect title.

Not sure what's happening over at MS at the moment. They should be pushing Kinect from a gaming perspective really hard right now. Its the only major difference(and advantage) between the Xbone and competitors.

MS needs to get its house in order and get back to the way they were.

With the relatively high cost of the console they're probably thinking that most of their first customers are core gamers for whom power is more important. The importance of Kinect will likely be emphasised later in the gen, maybe after their first price drop or when their first big Kinect game is released.

But yeah, it's not really helping them to engage in these types of debates.



Edge we love you. Sarcasm.

seriously though, the article speaks alot of truth. Raw power is ps4s strength.
and recently pennello has said dx11.2 drivers and the added co processors are xbox ones strength. Even edge acknowledge that drivers can swing the graphics in xbox ones favour.

fairly accurate article. Actually supports the claims of penello without actually meaning to.

looking forward to see what Microsoft bring with their latest drivers, bringing in direct x 11.2 support which the latest pc games will use.

end result will be as predicted. No real difference in first or third party graphics. Same as this generation.



selnor1983 said:
and recently pennello has said dx11.2 drivers and the added co processors are xbox ones strength. Even edge acknowledge that drivers can swing the graphics in xbox ones favour.

You are dead wrong in this point. As far as drivers are concerned, Sony is in a much better position than MS. The two key points are:

1. Compatibility issues. MS wants to have the best of all worlds - Windows8 devices, consoles, handhelds, you-name-it is touted as having the "same driver base". This insistence of having the same hardware abstraction layer (directX) on everything brings a lot of dead weight to each of the devices. Sony doesn' have to care at all about other devices, all they gave to care for is one, unique, zero compromise hal driver for the PS4.

2. The os on the XBox console is restricting acces to hardware by its supervisor os. This supervisor explicitly prevents accessing the hardware on the register level (my aasumption is that it isn't really going to be a "real" supervisor in the end exactly for that point). Here again, Sony could ruthlessly write the entire driver code on the register level (dangerous if you have noobs programming on your stuff- but who knows).

For these two reasons alone (there may be others), I see Sony in a much more comfortable position than MS.