Sony waited until after launch to take some of the PS3 away, and every thing they removed was for the worse for gamers.

MS overturns some policies before launch, every one of them beneficial for many gamers.

Loyalty free movement.

Everything Sony took away was not because people bitched for them to take it away (outside of the pricing) it was because Sony was trying to decrease the cost so they could make a slimlined version of the PS3. The Xbones launch is literally the worst prelaunch i've ever seen in my life. I thought the Saturn was bad and the Xbone might do better but in terms of launch preparation id say this is the worst of all time.

MS overturned some polcies? Overturning DRM includes a lot of underlying issues, including always online, their relationship with Gamestop and their online depdendent nature and alienation of rural people and others without internet connection. Theres plenty more just on that offense. Why piss off indy devs? Why? They opened the floodgates for them and then they just turn their backs on them? Dude....I could go on and on.

So.. it's worse to change something because gamers don't want it (and pre-launch, before anyone has paid a penny for it), than it is to take some away from gamers for cost reasons? Even things that affect gamers who already bought your system? Dat loyalty free logic strikes again.

Also, what do you care about the Xbone pre-launch? Weren't you one of the biggest complainers about the policies on here? Shouldn't the changes now make it one of the best pre-launches? So you're going from complaining about policies being in place that you disagree with, to complaining about those policies ever even existing, even though they have been changed to the status quo, aka what you supposedly wanted all along? I have a 6 year old kid who displays that same type of mentality LOL.

What do I care about the prelaunch? Dude...you're a gamer. besides...whats the name of this topic anyway? I forgot.

Well Sony had to frequently reduce the price because it wasn't flying off the shelves at the price Sony wanted. Also, they took away the PS2 and Other OS compatibility.

It doesn't matter if the PS3 outsold the 360 in its first year. The PS3 had great momentum with the PS2 and should have trounced the 360. Instead, Sony became arrogant and released a $600 console. Thus allowing the the Xbox brand to thrive and become a serious competitor. That was a huge mistake by Sony.

MS took back those policies you were opposed to and the console won't be out for months. MS fixed its biggest problems before launch. Sony on the otherhand had the nerve to release a $600 console and lost much of their market share because of it.

Sony didn't just lose billions of dollars by releasing an expensive gaming machine. But they essentially created their biggest competitor.

The vision isnt exactly wrong. They were preparing for a digital future.

What was wrong, was the execution. Rather than easing into it they went full on, aiming the console at the high-end consumer and ignoring a large part of the market that made the 360 do so well. They introduced exciting new features, that were simply restrictions.

The ball was in their court. They fucked up. The consumer let them know through preorder numbers. They had to change, to stay relevant.

Sony have the same vision, its just Sony are easing into it with PS Plus.

This.

Microsofts original policies were so bad they made Sony look amazing at E3 just by doing what they've always done with used games and no internet check ins.

I mentioned this is another thread and after thinking about it more, it makes perfect sense.

Microsoft with it's policies when first announced was acting like it had a monopoly in the market. They introduced services which were mandatory and that in essence replicated other digital markets because that is the way they and the industry is going. Look at MP3 players and iTunes, iTunes is pretty much a monopoly and was able to introduce it's DRM because it was an early adapter, iPod came out when the idea of keeping music on a iPod was a great idea, music files were small, downloaded fast. Then later when iPhone and iPad were released, people just didn't mind downloading small files with heavy DRM to their digital devices.

But they could have never done that, they can't replicate Apple's success because they weren't a monopoly in the gaming industry, infact now they are last. Restricting customers after years of customers being used to other ways of the markets working was a joke, as it seemed to only benefit them and developers while screwing over those that make them money. This angered people.

Alas, they changed their mind. Good, we as consumers should never have accepted being screwed over so much with restrictions and I'm glad people spoke out.


Sony didn't have a better vision, they understood consumers better and if you understand consumers better you understand an industry better.

it shows that sony had the more popular vision for the hardcore people who preorder consoles or buy them very early. people who would be also fine if the next gen consoles would be exactly the same as this and last gen just with better specs. ps4 and xb1 could be without game recording and so on and most people in interent forums would be still excited just because of the bigger ram and whatever.

if that is also the better strategy for the mass market has to be seen. i am not sure about it.

They will still do it. This is just an intermediate step. Dlc, updates, mandatory first day updates, launch day digital releases.... slowly, were getting there. This was just a small concession.