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crissindahouse said:

no i'm not lucky, the other guys just do something wrong...or they have complicated settings with multiple monitors and bla...

Just a hint... open the MS support to see how much bugs (and a lot without correction) the Windows 7 have... PC user experience is not stable.

It is more stable for power users... common users have even more trouble because needs to pay tech guys to fix easy things.

I can't believe you never saw a error message in your system lol... my uncle format his PC every month just because there are a new error/issue that he can't handle with Windows 7.



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ethomaz said:

crissindahouse said:

no i'm not lucky, the other guys just do something wrong...or they have complicated settings with multiple monitors and bla...

Just a hint... open the MS support to see how much bugs (and a lot without correction) the Windows 7 have... PC user experience is not stable.

so, of one billion users or something like that, how many are on the support page with problems? and i'm talking about real problems and not "how do i download a driver". with so many users it's pretty obvious that there are also many with problems. but the percentage would be important, not the number of people.

it's not as if some people don't have problems with their console from time to time (ps3's last update problems as example)



 

Pemalite said:

The point is not how many people can afford a 4k TV today, but how many can afford a 4k TV tomorrow? Technology does get cheaper over time, who knows how cheap they will be in a couple of years!
It's a chicken and egg scenario, if no one builds it, no one will support it, someone has to make the first move and if the consoles were a little more forward thinking and made the first move, then all would have been fine in the world.

Also, 4k is just a resolution, developers don't design games with my resolution (7680x1440) in mind, yet I can run games at that level, didn't take any development time away did it?

4k TV's might get cheaper in 5 or more years by then we will have new Console which can do 4k Gaming, so why do we need 4k gaming which is expensive and cannot be experience by most(which is must for developers/manufacturers to be successful)?

Also I say its not affordable for everybody to purchase high end PC's which costs atleast 800$ and must need an upgrade after two years so we'll have to do two upgrades to match the Console life cycle of minimum 5 years, along with we have to face driver issues for the games due to poor optimzation.

 

Pemalite said:

What is this, I don't even.

Some games sell better on PC than they do on consoles, it's the developers/publishers fault, not the platform.
There is a reason why League of Legends and Dota are some of the worlds most played games, the developers knew what gamers wanted.

But if you want to get into sales...
Diablo 3, sold what 15 million copies?
Half Life 2 sold about 12-15 million copies.
Minecraft is 11 million copies.
The Sims franchise has sold about 100 million copies.
Dota and League of Legends has 10's of millions of players.
World of WarCraft is over 9,000.

So I reiterate, it's not the platforms fault or even the gamers, people are obviously willing to part with their cash.


The games you have mentioned needs internet always to play them mostly, so it cannot be experienced offline so we can't experience if there is no internet in any future and ever because they need servers to operate which will be shutdown.

What about the games recent games like Tomb raider and bioshock infinite, why they did not do like Consoles sales?

Give these kind of games in PC, Where are the platform games like Sly, Mario, Ratchet and Clank, Little big planet? Where are the racing games like GTourismo, Forza? Where are the JRPG games like Nino kuni and many other Japan RPG games? What about story telling games like Uncharted, heavy rain etc.,? What about FPS games like Halo, Killzone, resistance?

Give me AAA games that match console quality i mentioned above which can be played offline and did sell well in PC.

I don't play games just play for fun and forget. I want to explore the worlds and experience which we can only dream and never possible in real life but can feel/experience that in Games.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

crissindahouse said:

so of one billion users or so, how many are on the support page with problems? and i'm talking about real problems and not "how do i download a driver"

it's not as if some people don't have problems with their console from time to time (ps3's last update problems as example)

It's different... PC in nature is not stable due the different combinations of hardware/software you have... I mean you can change everything in PC and that's make it instable.

One game/software runs ok in your system but not in mine because these differences.

A closed consoles is stable because all games/software will run in the same way in all consoles.

That's what I mean with stable... PC users have a lot of trouble/issues with that.



ethomaz said:

crissindahouse said:

so of one billion users or so, how many are on the support page with problems? and i'm talking about real problems and not "how do i download a driver"

it's not as if some people don't have problems with their console from time to time (ps3's last update problems as example)

It's different... PC in nature is not stable due the different combinations of hardware/software you have... I mean you can change everything in PC and that's make it instable.

One game/software runs ok in your system but not in mine because these differences.

A closed consoles is stable because all games/software will run in the same way in all consoles.

sure you can change everything and that makes it instable but people who do that should have a clue and will also know that and how to handle those problems. 

if you only overclock little bit, buy maybe a new gpu every few years and stuff like that there won't be really much you have to worry about. seriously, i play on pc for over 20 years now and i never had a huge problem. yes, sometimes i had a problem and it took a hour or so to fix it but i'm talking about 20+ years. 

for those who change their rig every few weeks it's obviously something else but most of them shouldn't really be surprised and should also not really care about that. 



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Zkuq said:

Also, who's saying instead of playing a few AAA titles has to be replaced my hundred of indie games? You could just, you know, play a few indie games. And then there's the thing that most AAA titles also come to PC, so for the most part, you won't miss much if you play on PC only.

It's kind of funny that originally you spoke about different gameplay experiences, then when I show you there's lots more gameplay variety on PC, you start talking about stories and getting involved and how much little most people have on their hands. The funny thing is, most console games play very much the same in the sense that if you know how to play one, you almost instantly know how to play another. Not only that, you'll also be pretty good in no time because the games have so similar rulesets.

Do you think all of the Playstation and Nintendo Exclusive games will come to PC?

Yes, i said differnt gameplay experiences  about AAA games which convey story like Movies. My experiences are Platform, Action/Adeventure, RPG, Racing, Fighting, Fantasy/History, Emotional, FPS involving story and gameplay related to that, not like just having diferent way of playing the game. Look at Playstaion exclusives that show these:

Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Heavly sword, God of war, Ni no kuni, Demons souls, Modnation racers, little big planet karting, Playstaion all stars, Heavy rain, Beyond two souls, Pupeeteer, Rain, Infamouse, Killzone, Resistance, Yakuza, LIttle big planet, Gran tourismo, Motorstorm, Eyepet, Sorcery, Champion, Wonder book and PSN games like Journey, Unfinished swann, Flower,Gucameelee, Stard dust, Fat pricess etc.,

I don't see this kind of varied gameplay invovling story related to that in PC at all. But, I agreet there are some great games in PC but i see more innvoation from Sony and with their studios. For example, look at the Living room demo of PS4 and ready at dawn game The order 1886, along with there are 12 new IP's from Sony for PS4.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

This interview makes the things even more interesting...

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=164576

The GPU of GPU is even more customized than I thought... seem like it have more ALUs for compute in some graphic unit than AMD GCN have.



biglittlesps said:
Zkuq said:

Also, who's saying instead of playing a few AAA titles has to be replaced my hundred of indie games? You could just, you know, play a few indie games. And then there's the thing that most AAA titles also come to PC, so for the most part, you won't miss much if you play on PC only.

It's kind of funny that originally you spoke about different gameplay experiences, then when I show you there's lots more gameplay variety on PC, you start talking about stories and getting involved and how much little most people have on their hands. The funny thing is, most console games play very much the same in the sense that if you know how to play one, you almost instantly know how to play another. Not only that, you'll also be pretty good in no time because the games have so similar rulesets.

Do you think all of the Playstation and Nintendo Exclusive games will come to PC?

Yes, i said differnt gameplay experiences  about AAA games which convey story like Movies. My experiences are Platform, Action/Adeventure, RPG, Racing, Fighting, Fantasy/History, Emotional, FPS involving story and gameplay related to that, not like just having diferent way of playing the game. Look at Playstaion exclusives that show these:

Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Heavly sword, God of war, Ni no kuni, Demons souls, Modnation racers, little big planet karting, Playstaion all stars, Heavy rain, Beyond two souls, Pupeeteer, Rain, Infamouse, Killzone, Resistance, Yakuza, LIttle big planet, Gran tourismo, Motorstorm and PSN games like Journey, Unfinished swann, Flower,Gucameelee, Stard dust, Fat pricess etc.,

I don't see this kind of varied gameplay invovling story related to that in PC at all.

Do you know the difference between 'most' and 'all'? If so, why did you bring up exclusives when most games are multiplatform these days?

Again, you can get most of the AAA experiences with movie-like stories on PC. Just not exclusives, but like I said, most games are multiplatform these days. Also, half of the games you mentioned barely have a story at all or it's not interesting (who playes LBP for its story?). And if you have so little time to play games, why do you bring up so many games?



Zkuq said:
biglittlesps said:
Zkuq said:

Also, who's saying instead of playing a few AAA titles has to be replaced my hundred of indie games? You could just, you know, play a few indie games. And then there's the thing that most AAA titles also come to PC, so for the most part, you won't miss much if you play on PC only.

It's kind of funny that originally you spoke about different gameplay experiences, then when I show you there's lots more gameplay variety on PC, you start talking about stories and getting involved and how much little most people have on their hands. The funny thing is, most console games play very much the same in the sense that if you know how to play one, you almost instantly know how to play another. Not only that, you'll also be pretty good in no time because the games have so similar rulesets.

Do you think all of the Playstation and Nintendo Exclusive games will come to PC?

Yes, i said differnt gameplay experiences  about AAA games which convey story like Movies. My experiences are Platform, Action/Adeventure, RPG, Racing, Fighting, Fantasy/History, Emotional, FPS involving story and gameplay related to that, not like just having diferent way of playing the game. Look at Playstaion exclusives that show these:

Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Heavly sword, God of war, Ni no kuni, Demons souls, Modnation racers, little big planet karting, Playstaion all stars, Heavy rain, Beyond two souls, Pupeeteer, Rain, Infamouse, Killzone, Resistance, Yakuza, LIttle big planet, Gran tourismo, Motorstorm and PSN games like Journey, Unfinished swann, Flower,Gucameelee, Stard dust, Fat pricess etc.,

I don't see this kind of varied gameplay invovling story related to that in PC at all.

Do you know the difference between 'most' and 'all'? If so, why did you bring up exclusives when most games are multiplatform these days?

Again, you can get most of the AAA experiences with movie-like stories on PC. Just not exclusives, but like I said, most games are multiplatform these days. Also, half of the games you mentioned barely have a story at all or it's not interesting (who playes LBP for its story?). And if you have so little time to play games, why do you bring up so many games?

Yes, I have limited time but I have been playing these games for the past 6 years not now. LBP has story which is saving the world from the evil in a childrens way not for matured people.

It was nice discussing with you, now lets stop this discussion please because you have different view point so we won't be able to agree on anything so its waste to discuss. Thanks



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

biglittlesps said:

 

Pemalite said:

What is this, I don't even.

Some games sell better on PC than they do on consoles, it's the developers/publishers fault, not the platform.
There is a reason why League of Legends and Dota are some of the worlds most played games, the developers knew what gamers wanted.

But if you want to get into sales...
Diablo 3, sold what 15 million copies?
Half Life 2 sold about 12-15 million copies.
Minecraft is 11 million copies.
The Sims franchise has sold about 100 million copies.
Dota and League of Legends has 10's of millions of players.
World of WarCraft is over 9,000.

So I reiterate, it's not the platforms fault or even the gamers, people are obviously willing to part with their cash.


The games you have mentioned needs internet always to play them mostly, so it cannot be experienced offline so we can't experience if there is no internet in any future and ever because they need servers to operate which will be shutdown.

What about the games recent games like Tomb raider and bioshock infinite, why they did not do like Consoles sales?

Give these kind of games in PC, Where are the platform games like Sly, Mario, Ratchet and Clank, Little big planet? Where are the racing games like GTourismo, Forza? Where are the JRPG games like Nino kuni and many other Japan RPG games? What about story telling games like Uncharted, heavy rain etc.,? What about FPS games like Halo, Killzone, resistance?

Give me AAA games that match console quality i mentioned above which can be played offline and did sell well in PC.

I don't play games just play for fun and forget. I want to explore the worlds and experience which we can only dream and never possible in real life but can feel/experience that in Games.

Which of his list of games do you think need an online connection? I counted 4. Half-Life 2, The Sims and Minecraft are all offline game, but that doesn't actually discount from his point about sales. What happens when your disc breaks and they no longer sell PS3 games? You're screwed either way... except on PC many games have the ability to allow the users to host their own servers, so if the developers decide to stop support, someone else is willing to pick up the slack.

His list is actually only a small one too and thats the sales we know about as most PC sales are impossible to track. Tracking firms only have the vaguest of ideas about digital downloads on PC considering Steam (that are estimated to have 70% marketshare) don't release figures (then again, few digital download outlets release figures). EA have even commented on how NPD are no longer that reliable for market data as they're our of touch with the download sector.

As for Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider, where are you getting your numbers from? As I said before, due to PC being heavily skewed towards digital downloads, sales figures for PC are unreliable, this site included.

And for every genre and list of games you've mentioned I could easily ask where's the Planescape game? (widely considered as one of the best storylines in video games and was novellised and considered one of New York Times' 100 books of the 20th century) Where's iRacing (often considered to be better than either GT or Forza by sim enthusiasts)? Where's Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale or Neverwinter Nights? (which have great stories and characters). Where's Starcraft? or Dreamfall? or Civlization? Flight Sim? Age of Empires? Total War? I could go on and on.

And did you honestly mention FPS? On PC?! The platform that invented and innovated the genre in numerous ways? Maybe you've heard of these: Half-Life, Left 4 Dead, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Counterstrike (proof that mods do matter), Doom, Wolfenstein, Deus Ex, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Quake, Crysis... I mean seriously.

There is literally every experience you could possibly want on PC, you just don't know about them.